Those who forgot the arguments, here they are again.
Trolling with "no you", does not cut it.
Address the arguments:
China
is 1) an official totalitarian dictatorship.
2) "re-educating" Uyghurs to turn them into proper Han.
3) sterilising Uyghur women en mass.
4) suppressing the Tibetans.
5) suppressing the Cantonese people of Hong Kong.
6)
suppressing the Mongolians.
7) controls a territory 2.5 times the size of the EU, inhabited by 1.4 billion people that 95% of them just so happened to be born Han Chinese as if by
immaculate conception.
Godstud wrote:USA not Ultra-Nationalist? How can you be so blind? You can't go anywhere without hearing Americans chanting, "USA USA USA!"
This is not about "the people" but about the state. Even if we did talk about "the people" Chinese people are far more nationalist and racist than American people but still that is not the point at all. The fact is that China is an ultra-nationalist state where foreigners and foreign competition inside China is totally discouraged, that is not the case in the USA where foreign people and foreign corporations are welcome.
Also fascist corporatist economy & US corporations. It's not what you think it is. Corporations in the US do not serve the US state and are not run in a holistic manner subsumed under the state:
A fascist corporation is a government body that brings together federations of workers and employers syndicates to regulate production in a holistic manner. Each trade union would theoretically represent its professional concerns, especially by negotiation of labour contracts and the like. It was theorized that this method could result in harmony amongst social classes.[32] However, authors have noted that historically de facto economic corporatism was also used to reduce opposition and reward political loyalty.[33]
In Italy from 1922 until 1943, corporatism became influential amongst Italian nationalists led by Benito Mussolini. The Charter of Carnaro gained much popularity as the prototype of a "corporative state", having displayed much within its tenets as a guild system combining the concepts of autonomy and authority in a special synthesis.[34] Alfredo Rocco spoke of a corporative state and declared corporatist ideology in detail. Rocco would later become a member of the Italian fascist regime.[35]
Italian Fascism involved a corporatist political system in which the economy was collectively managed by employers, workers and state officials by formal mechanisms at the national level.[36] Its supporters claimed that corporatism could better recognize or "incorporate" every divergent interest into the state organically, unlike majority-rules democracy which they said could marginalize specific interests. This total consideration was the inspiration for their use of the term "totalitarian", described without coercion (which is connoted in the modern meaning) in the 1932 Doctrine of Fascism as thus:
When brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State.[37]
[The state] is not simply a mechanism which limits the sphere of the supposed liberties of the individual... Neither has the Fascist conception of authority anything in common with that of a police ridden State... Far from crushing the individual, the Fascist State multiplies his energies, just as in a regiment a soldier is not diminished but multiplied by the number of his fellow soldiers.[37]
A popular slogan of the Italian Fascists under Mussolini was "Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato" ("everything for the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state").
If there ever was a fascist country that adheres to all the principles of fascism, that country is China.
The fact that people use "fascism" in here to insult the USA while refusing to call a true fascist country like China what it is, is absolutely mind-boggling and very ridiculous indeed.
China is not merely "fascist", nor does she have policies that tilt her toward "fascism".
China is a
true Fascist State and the opinions of ignoramus posters or editorials does not change reality.
@Godstud Where in that article is there a single argument about Chinese fascism?
There is nothing at all in your article, just an apologist telling us:
1) that China is very authoritarian indeed, he makes no apologies. How does that support
your argument?
2) he says "we cannot judge china by western eyes" thereby admitting that if we judge China by the [western/actual] definition of fascism, then she is actually &
properly fascist.
3) He claims China is a "bit less decentralised" compared to what he
imagines other people
might imagine by the word.
A logical fallacy by definition and no context whatsoever.
As we have seen, you are not even aware of the definition of corporatism, yet not only you profess an opinion about fascism but you are also quite aggressive about it and insult those who disagree with you to boot. What is even more ridiculous is that you use the word 'fascist' quite liberally yourself to call countries that are nowhere near fascism but you reject it for official fascists.
Educate yourself first on the words 'fascism' and 'corporatism' and then come back to explain with
arguments how China does not abide by their fundamental tenets to the T.
EN EL ED EM ON
...take your common sense with you, and leave your prejudices behind...