Jihsan wrote:
Actually it's probably now more than 95%, considering the map says year 2000. Israel will not rest until they get 101%.
You do know that this "map" is utterly nonesnse? To the point of deceving and maybe a lie?
I showed Buzz, I even provided him with facts and evidence...
So you wanted to kill, bulldoze their homes for their own good, their own safety? I see.... I can break into your mansion and kick (or kill) your family out, destroy your neighbors home, if you refuse to reside (share) in the garden or basement with your family? and even invite all my religiously affiliated friends and extended family from abroad (all around the world) to take over the town and eventually the whole country nice.
btw, you've completely ignored my question.
Here is the true story:
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Pfff... True histroy...Is it never occured to you not use "resources" with these kind of headlines?
For your "So you kill all their f**** health care workers and then are surprised to see them asking Israel for help ?" question :
Let put aside all the populist nonesense thats running here, I tell you from first sight (I work in a hospital that take care in the majority of Palestinians, at least I think, I never checked numbers but there are a lot of Palestinians at any current time). Most of them 99%, are not comming to Israel to get a treatment becuase of gun wounds as you sarcasticaly implied, they come to be treated because there is no where else. See, I don't know if you guys know but most countires around here are not really "happy" to help....Plus, Israeli medicine is in one of the top places in World medicine...
For your other claim about IDF destroying hospitals : Well, there was one guy (Famous actor) named Mohamed Bakri, who after the 2003 Operation called "Homat Magen" (Wall of Shield), released a film called "Jenin Jenin". In that film, he claimed that the IDF destroyed hospitals during that Operations and preformed War crimes. Plus in that time, the PA authority released information that related to number of victims and other stuff that turned out later to be falsehood..(Shoking..), Here is some of the findings that pretty much debunked their claims :
I was present at a private viewing of the film "Jenin, Jenin", by Muhammad Bakri, at the Jerusalem Cinematheque. The limited audience included Lia van Leer, Director of the Cinematheque, and some journalists. At the end of the screening, I reacted by pointing out, one by one, the lies and lack of truth shown in the film. One of the participants responded furiously, "if you cannot accept the facts in the film, you apparently do not understand anything, and how can you be a doctor?" For a moment I forgot that I had been in Jenin last April, serving in the capacity of doctor for IDF forces in the area, while this esteemed viewer's information came, at best, from rumors. Bakri has woven together lies and half-truths so skillfully that it is difficult to withstand the temptation to be drawn into the distorted picture he has created.
I failed to convince the Cinematheque's management to cancel the screening. I was told that the images of destroyed houses are authentic and that, therefore, there is truth in the film, and that anyway, the film will be screened throughout the world. I was nevertheless invited to the film's Jerusalem premiere, and I went, so that I could use the opportunity to explain my position to the audience. Following are some of the points that I had hoped to raise.
1. The director of the hospital in Jenin, Dr. Abu-Rali, claims in the film that the western wing of the hospital was shelled and destroyed, and that the IDF purposely disrupted the supply of water and electricity to the hospital. The truth is that there never was such a wing and, in any case, no part of the hospital was shelled or bombed.
Indeed, IDF soldiers were careful not to enter the hospital grounds, even though we knew that they were being used to shelter wanted persons. We maintained the supply of water, electricity and oxygen to the hospital throughout the course of the fighting, and helped set up an emergency generator after the electricity grid in the city was damaged.
Bakri himself is seen in the film wandering around the clean, preserved corridors of the hospital, but not in the "bombed" wing. I met him outside the auditorium and asked him if he had visited the western wing. At first he said no, and then immediately corrected himself. "Just a minute, you remember the glass that broke in the film - that was from there."
It is important to note that Abu-Rali is one of the "authorized sources" on which the claim of a "massacre" is based. At the beginning of the operation, he was interviewed on the TV station Al-Jazeera and spoke of "thousands of casualties."
2. Another impressive segment of the film is an interview with a 75-year-old resident of Jenin who, crying bitterly, testified that he had been taken from his bed in the middle of the night and shot in the hand, and, when he failed to obey the soldiers' orders to get up, was shot again in the foot.
This same elderly man was brought to me for treatment after a clean-up operation in one of the houses used by a Hamas cell in the refuge camp. He had indeed sustained a slight injury to the hand and suffered from light abrasions on his leg (although certainly not a bullet wound). IDF soldiers brought him to the station for treating the wounded, and there he was treated, including by me.
One of the army doctors diagnosed heart failure, and we immediately offered to transfer him for treatment to the "Emek" Hospital in Afula. He requested to be treated at the hospital in Jenin since he was not fluent in Hebrew. After the Jenin hospital refused to admit him, we transferred him to Afula. He was in the internal medicine ward for three days and received treatment for heart problems and anemia, from which he suffered as a result of an existing chronic disease.
3. Another interviewee told the story of a baby hit by a bullet that penetrated the baby's chest, passed through its body and created a large exit wound in its back. According to the information supplied in the film, the baby died after soldiers prevented his evacuation to hospital. However, the baby's body was never found. Furthermore, if such a wound had been in fact inflicted, it would have certainly been fatal, and evacuation to hospital would not have saved the baby's life. What was the baby's name? What happened to the body?
4. The same person also claimed that he used his finger to open an airway in a child's neck after he was wounded. Again, this is a total fabrication. It is impossible to perform such an operation with one's finger. This "witness" also told how tanks rolled over people, again and again, crushing them alive - this, too, never happened.
5. The film mentions mass graves in which the IDF put the Palestinians who were killed. All of the international organizations that investigated this matter are in agreement that a total of 52 Palestinians were killed in Jenin, and their bodies were turned over to the Palestinians for burial. Bakri did not even bother to show the location of these so-called mass graves.
6. The film claims that Israeli planes bombed the city. This is untrue. In order to avoid civilian casualties, only accurate gunfire from helicopters was used.
7. Another point worth noting is that Bakri was not in Jenin during the operation; he arrived two weeks after its conclusion. The destroyed area in the center of the city was filmed in such a way as to appear substantially bigger than it really was, and the posters of "martyrs" and Jihad slogans that covered the walls during the operation were all gone.
The film repeatedly manipulates visual images, showing tanks that had been photographed in other places juxtaposed artificially with pictures of Palestinian children. This is crude, albeit well-done, manipulation.
This is an actual quote from the U.N report on Jenin:
“The number of Palestinian fatalities, on the basis of bodies recovered to date, in Jenin and the refugee camp in this military operation can be estimated at around 55. Of those, a number were civilians, four were women and two children. There were 23 Israeli fatalities in the fighting operations in Jenin.”
In Their Own Words: Palestinian Statements Demonstrate that Israel's Actions in Jenin Were Clearly Warranted
§ The Palestinian fighters in Jenin spoke of how they booby-trapped the camp elaborately, armed themselves with explosive belts and grenades and enlisted women and children into the battle.
§ "Believe me, there are children stationed in the houses with explosive belts at their sides."
-Abu Jandal, Islamic Jihad commander
§ "We have prepared unexpected surprises for the enemy….We have prepared a special graveyard in the Jenin camp for them."
-Ali Safori, Islamic Jihad Al-Quds
Brigades commander
§ "We had more than 50 houses booby-trapped around the camp. We chose old and empty buildings and the houses of men who were wanted by Israel because we knew the soldiers would search for them."
-"Omar," Islamic Jihad bomb-maker
http://students.washington.edu/israeluw/info-jenin.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_to_JeninAbout the "Massacre" in Jenin :
http://www.peacewithrealism.org/pdc/jenin.htmAll in all, I gave you a really small part of the picture.