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By Noumenon
#19164
America is truly a gift of God on the Iraqi people. You killed 1.2 million of them in the past 10 years...but thats not nearly as much as Saddam killed.


Shifting all the blame to America again I see...whatever it is, its America's fault. The UN put the sanctions on Iraq in the first place, why not blame them? Of course UN would be above any such thing, it must be the Great Satan's fault. Saddam repeatedly denied his people aid under the oil-for-food program, all for anti-US propaganda that people like you eat up. The more of his people Saddam killed, the worse sanctions would look, and the more people would hate America. Because people like you believe Saddam's propaganda, 1.2 million are dead.

Of course you put Saddam in power...but thats not nearly as bad as...ehmm...those god damn dirty democrats...They have gone so low *shakes head*


Oh yeah we must have put Saddam in power since the left says so...or not. Saddam came to power in 1979 after the Baathist general resigned and he killed all those who opposed him. No help from the USA.

Even if we did put him in power, is there some rule saying we can't remove him? Or would you prefer we did nothing and allowed Saddam to kill more people?

And even if we supported him in his war against Iran, is there a law saying that allies cannot become enemies?
By Tovarish Spetsnaz
#19179
Thanks for understanding Boon...and thanks for bringing Barbie home (she's from the Trailor Trash collection...isn't she??)

Because people like you believe Saddam's propaganda, 1.2 million are dead.


Well we can just ask UNICEF about it. They say about 560,000 dead children (and thats children under 5)...have died from the sanctions. I guess they are Baathist terrorists too.

Saddam repeatedly denied his people aid under the oil-for-food program, all for anti-US propaganda that people like you eat up.


Bad ass Saddam!!...now that Americans have liberated Iraq...they have done away with evil-Saddam's food quotas.

Oh I forgot...now that they don't have food quotas...most Iraqis get about half as much food as before. Thanks America...

Oh yeah we must have put Saddam in power since the left says so...or not. Saddam came to power in 1979 after the Baathist general resigned and he killed all those who opposed him. No help from the USA.


Hmmm...yeah...according to History Channel "history". Saddam was a trained assasin living in Egypt, trained by the CIA to kill Qasim...Once Qasim was gone, Saddam become head of the intelligence services (guess why...he was CIA). 1979...Saddam comes to power as the president steps down...and CIA wastes no time to send their man list sof thousands of dirty commies to be hanged from palm trees.

Again...thanks America...

Even if we did put him in power, is there some rule saying we can't remove him? Or would you prefer we did nothing and allowed Saddam to kill more people?


NO, I would prefer you not putting him in power in the first place...and keeping your stinkng nose out of other people's business.

And even if we supported him in his war against Iran, is there a law saying that allies cannot become enemies?


Thats not the point jack off...
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By Demosthenes
#19181
Thats not the point jack off...
Wow, thats real brilliant for a communist poser, and actually that is exactly the point moron.

Jack off??? I mean come on, whats the matter are your arguments finally starting to sound like the absurd crap they are even to you? So that the mighty TS has to resort to pettiness to insult someone? How typical of a bullshit communist propagandist. :knife:

Well we can just ask UNICEF about it. They say about 560,000 dead children (and thats children under 5)...have died from the sanctions. I guess they are Baathist terrorists too.


Whether true or not, this hardly proves US responsibility for their deaths. Another typical bit of propaganda on your part: throw out something atrocious and blame it on eveyone but the guy who built, what was it again?, a billion dollar palace a year since 93'? You sound rediculous blaming the US for such as this and then convieniently forgetting or downplaying this little tidbit. Admit it, If Saddam had even foraken ONE of these it would have saved thousands of lives. Further as Izzy says those were UN santions, not US. I guess the UN just isn't convienient to your argument right now so ya may as well forget em.

Oh I forgot...now that they don't have food quotas...most Iraqis get about half as much food as before. Thanks America...


If you were as all knowing as you pretend to be you'd know all countries who are 3 months after a war have faced some hardships, but just as we rebuilt Europe, Japan, etc. so too will Iraq be rebuilt, I wont be as stupid as your being and claim before it happens that All will be great but I will say you have to wait at least a year before deciding the Iraqis are worse off.

Once again it makes you seem rediculously biased when you make wild accusations, 1.2 million dead indeed, and you who get so insulted when people talk about the 30 million Stalin murdered as simply being western propaganda! What a fuckin hypocrit.

Saddam was a trained assasin living in Egypt, trained by the CIA to kill Qasim...Once Qasim was gone, Saddam become head of the intelligence services (guess why...he was CIA). 1979...Saddam comes to power as the president steps down...and CIA wastes no time to send their man list sof thousands of dirty commies to be hanged from palm trees.


So the fuck what? I assume you can prove this through internal Soviet archives? or because william Blum says it? or is it because you say so? It doesn't matter because even if its true I'm guessing the "dirty commies" you're referring to were indeed a problem that needed solving, if you're any indication of their motives I'm not impressed with their implied peacefulness (that is you're saying we're evil for wanting a bunch of "dirty commies" killed which would only be true(us being evil, that is) if they we're just innocent little guys hopping through the forest without a care in the world except freeing the prolitariat from their eternal nighmares- If you believe that you really are a communist poser)

Again...thanks America...
Any time baby! Any time!

NO, I would prefer you not putting him in power in the first place...and keeping your stinkng nose out of other people's business.


Now this isn't very nice because once again you manipulate the argument in a pitiful attempt to discredit the US! Why you ask? because the middle east tradionally had little in common with communism, (or so a recent article I just read would imply) which in turn means this was imported from somewhere. From where you ask? Well I guess that would be the Soviet Union. So that in turn means you're for the Soviet Union "sticking their nose in". Interfering with a country's normal procession. Which in turn means your not for peacfulness as you so often try to imply but merely are jealous that it was America who ultimately got their way in Iraq and not the state you worshipp so highly, that is the Soviet Union. So your statement hardly contains the humanitarian motive you're trying to imply, it more just plain old simple jealousy.
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By joe
#19209
CasX wrote:Ef

(And, unrelated) Where's Osama?


Excellent..Excellent question
By Cassius Clay
#19221
On Saddams links with America and the CIA.

"…in the past Saddam was seen by U.S. intelligence services as a bulwark of anti-communism and they used him as their instrument for more than 40 years, according to former U.S. intelligence diplomats and intelligence officials… (Saddam’s) first contacts with U.S. officials date back to 1959, when he was part of a CIA-authorized six-man squad tasked with assassinating then Iraqi Prime Minister Gen. Abd al-Karim Qasim.

"In July 1958, Qasim had overthrown the Iraqi monarchy in what one former U.S. diplomat, who asked not to be identified, described as ‘a horrible orgy of bloodshed.’ According to current and former U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, Iraq was then regarded as a key buffer and strategic asset in the Cold War with the Soviet Union.

"Little attention was paid to Qasim’s bloody and conspiratorial regime until his sudden decision to withdraw from the (anti-Soviet) pact in 1959… Washington watched in marked dismay as Qasim began to buy arms from the Soviet Union and put his own domestic communists into ministry positions of "real power," according to this official.,,(This) prompted CIA Director Allan Dulles to say publicly that Iraq was "the most dangerous spot in the world."

"…Saddam, while only in his early 20s, became a part of a U.S. plot to get rid of Qasim. According to this source, Saddam was installed in an apartment in Baghdad on al-Rashid Street directly opposite Qasim’s office in Iraq’s Ministry of Defense, to observe Qasim’s movements.

"Adel Darwish, Middle East expert and author of "Unholy Babylon," said the move was done "with full knowledge of the CIA," and that Saddam’s CIA handler was an Iraqi dentist working for CIA and Egyptian intelligence. U.S. officials separately confirmed Darwish’s account.

Darwish said that Saddam’s paymaster was Capt. Abdel Maquid Farid, the assistant military attaché at the Egyptian Embassy who paid for the apartment from his own personal account. Three former senior U.S. officials have confirmed that this is accurate.

"The assassination was set for Oct. 7, 1959, but it was completely botched. Accounts differ. One former CIA official said that the 22-year-old Saddam lost his nerve and began firing too soon, killing Qasim’s driver and only wounding Qasim in the shoulder and arm. Darwish told UPI that one of the assassins had bullets that did not fit his gun and that another had a hand grenade that got stuck in the lining of his coat. "It bordered on farce," a former senior U.S. intelligence official said. But Qasim, hiding on the floor of his car, escaped death, and Saddam, whose calf had been grazed by a fellow would-be assassin, escaped to Tikrit, thanks to CIA and Egyptian intelligence agents, several U.S. government officials said. Saddam then crossed into Syria and was transferred by Egyptian intelligence agents to Beirut, according to Darwish and former senior CIA officials. While Saddam was in Beirut, the CIA paid for Saddam’s apartment and put him through a brief training course, former CIA officials said. The agency then helped him get to Cairo, they said.

One former U.S. government official, who knew Saddam at the time, said that even then Saddam " was known as having no class. He was a thug — a cutthroat." In Cairo, Saddam was installed in an apartment in the upper class neighborhood of Dukki and spent his time playing dominos in the Indiana Café, watched over by CIA and Egyptian intelligence operatives, according to Darwish and former U.S. intelligence officials.

One former senior U.S. government official said: "In Cairo, I often went to Groppie Café at Emad Eldine Pasha Street, which was very posh, very upper class. Saddam would not have fit in there. The Indiana was your basic dive."

But during this time Saddam was making frequent visits to the American Embassy where CIA specialists such as Miles Copeland and CIA station chief Jim Eichelberger were in residence and knew Saddam, former U.S. intelligence officials said.

Saddam’s U.S. handlers even pushed Saddam to get his Egyptian handlers to raise his monthly allowance, a gesture not appreciated by Egyptian officials since they knew of Saddam’s American connection, according to Darwish. His assertion was confirmed by former U.S. diplomat in Egypt at the time.

In February 1963 Qasim was killed in a Baath Party coup. Morris claimed recently that the CIA was behind the coup, which was sanctioned by President John F. Kennedy, but a former very senior CIA official strongly denied this.

"We were absolutely stunned. We had guys running around asking what the hell had happened," this official said.

But the agency quickly moved into action. Noting that the Baath Party was hunting down Iraq’s communist, the CIA provided the submachine gun-toting Iraqi National Guardsmen with lists of suspected communists who were then jailed, interrogated, and summarily gunned down, according to former U.S. intelligence officials with intimate knowledge of the executions.

Many suspected communists were killed outright, these sources said. Darwish told UPI that the mass killings, presided over by Saddam, took place at Qasr al-Nehayat, literally, the Palace of the End.

A former senior U.S. State Department official told UPI: "We were frankly glad to be rid of them. You ask that they get a fair trial? You have to get kidding. This was serious business."

A former senior CIA official said: "It was a bit like the mysterious killings of Iran’s communists just after Ayatollah Khomeini came to power in 1979. All 4,000 of his communists suddenly got killed." British scholar Con Coughlin, author of "Saddam: King of Terror," quotes Jim Critchfield, then a senior Middle East agency official, as saying the killing of Qasim and the communists was regarded "as a great victory." A former long-time covert U.S. intelligence operative and friend of Critchfield said: "Jim was an old Middle East hand. He wasn’t sorry to see the communists go at all. Hey, we were playing for keeps."

Saddam, in the meantime, became head of al-Jihaz a-Khas, the secret intelligence apparatus of the Baath Party.

The CIA/Defense Intelligence Agency relation with Saddam intensified after the start of the Iran-Iraq war in September of 1980. During the war, the CIA regularly sent a team to Saddam to deliver battlefield intelligence obtained from Saudi AWACS surveillance aircraft to aid the effectiveness of Iraq’s armed forces, according to a former DIA official, part of a U.S. interagency intelligence group.

This former official said that he personally had signed off on a document that shared U.S. satellite intelligence with both Iraq and Iran in an attempt to produce a military stalemate. "When I signed it, I thought I was losing my mind," the former official told UPI.

A former CIA official said that Saddam had assigned a top team of three senior officers from the Estikhbarat, Iraq’s military intelligence, to meet with the Americans.

According to Darwish, the CIA and DIA provided military assistance to Saddam’s ferocious February 1988 assault on Iranian positions in the al-Fao peninsula by blinding Iranian radars for three days.

The Saddam-U.S. intelligence alliance of convenience came to an end at 2 a.m. Aug. 2, 1990, when 100,000 Iraqi troops, backed by 300 tanks, invaded its neighbor, Kuwait. America’s one-time ally had become its bitterest enemy.
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By Noumenon
#19227
So Saddam was an assassin hired by the CIA. That doesn't mean he was put into power by the US, he seized power himself. I don't see any evidence that the CIA planned on him becoming dictator of Iraq.

I think Demosthenes did an excellent job responding to T.S.'s post, so I won't bother.
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By wench
#19254
" Had members of the Iraqi soccer team beaten with iron bars for losing "

This a myth that people like to perpetuate. FIFA officials were sent to investigate and reported the claims unfounded.

People really have to be sporting some heavy duty blinders to even for a moment pretend they give a shit beneath their meme programmed football helmets about this.
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By Comrade Ogilvy
#19279
Quote: This a myth that people like to perpetuate. FIFA officials were sent to investigate and reported the claims unfounded.

Are You serious? LOL
And Im sure they were just a diligent as the United Nations.
So I suppose Iraqi athletes are just delusional. And that celebratory gunfire in Baghdad was to cheer the 4 US casualties suffered before taking the two out?
By S. P. Laroche
#19293
Pictures are now being released. You can find some here or here
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By Lt. Spoonman
#19299
there are a hell of alot of bruises on those bodies, something that does not often happen in a firefight... just an observation
By S. P. Laroche
#19300
Lt. Spoonman wrote:there are a hell of alot of bruises on those bodies, something that does not often happen in a firefight... just an observation


You noticed that as well? Looks more like they got the crap kicked out of them, then they were shot. Of course it may all have been a "disguise" :eek: .
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By Comrade Ogilvy
#19301
"there are a hell of alot of bruises on those bodies, something that does not often happen in a firefight... just an observation"

I hope what you insinuating is true. And I bet most of the Iraqi people would be mad they didnt get to do it themselves.
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By jaakko
#19302
Lt. Spoonman wrote:there are a hell of alot of bruises on those bodies, something that does not often happen in a firefight... just an observation


Except if there were explosions. Whoever these dead persons are, they weren't just shot dead. If you've seen some pics of the house they were in, you'd notice it was attacked like some heavily fortified concrete bunker. Just a couple of men in a house with some rifles and the house ruins looks like it was attacked by a platoon of M1A1s.
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By Siberian Fox
#19306
Jaakko wrote:it was attacked like some heavily fortified concrete bunker. Just a couple of men in a house with some rifles and the house ruins looks like it was attacked by a platoon of M1A1s.


If I remember correctly the BBC said that the house was attacked by a helicopter before the troops went in.
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By Demosthenes
#19309
@Demosthenes

"So your statement hardly contains the humanitarian motive
you're trying to imply, it more just plain old simple jealousy.."

http://www.sea-urchin.net/radiobaghdad/thebigone.html


Bwa ha ha ha! I am already planning DisneyLand Intifadah, it'll be just south of Bagdad, lots of water rides and even a hunt Saddam & Sons paintball game!
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By jaakko
#19310
Efrem Da King wrote:Ground based rockets were shot in at the end.


I just watched the news and saw a HMMWV with a TOW-launcher. I thought maybe that was used in this. I thought a TOW missile is rather expensive for such use, but maybe money isn't an issue when those missiles would otherwise be left unused.
By Tovarish Spetsnaz
#19336
About 50 TOW missiles were launched against the house. They were the ones that caused the bruses.

And that celebratory gunfire in Baghdad was to cheer the 4 US casualties suffered before taking the two out?


No...but the demonstrations throughout Mosul and elsewhere probably were...
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By Lt. Spoonman
#19337
Yeah i would think 50 TOW missles would just about do the job... you know, i think the DOD is starting to get stingy with their munitions... i mean, only 50 anti-tank missles against a civilian building? cmon, I could have done better... Where are the flamethrowers and the MOABs boys??? stop slacking.
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