Ethnic cleansing played a significant role in that. Did Srebrenica have a Serb majority?
Bullshit.
Bosnia, 1991...
The war had nothing to do with serbs being the majority on the land of bosnia. The serbs in fact were the biggest group in bosnia traditionally. Only come 1971 did the bosniaks become the biggest group - and were never over 50% percent.
You speak of srebrenica? Well, no, the serbs were not a majority there at the start of the war, but they were in the not so distant past. Furthermore, the serbian population was on a downward trend between 1953 and 1991. All over eastern bosnia the serbian population decreased while the muslim population increased. But we still formed the majority on what was republika srpska.
Greece is currently investigating their volunteers for war crimes. What has Serbia done to Mladic?
Serbia is looking for mladic, and doing much more than what croatia, our fascist allies did, and much more than what the muslims in bosnia did.
The Serbian government provided logistical support to the separtist forces fighting in Bosnia. There is simply no way the seperatists could have fielded and maintained their heavy equipment without Serbia's support. Serbia also played a key role in precipitating that civil war, in an attempt to annex territory from Bosnia.
Edit: Forgot the JNA role in Sarajevo
The JNA had entire divisions in Bosnia and Herzegovina. And guess what, these divisions became part of the army of Republika Srpska. This republika srpska was formed early and was independent of belgrade. It is well known that milosevic and karadjzic hated one another, and that milosevic did all he could to bring peace there. Remember those failed peace plans that were designed to screw the serbs in bosnia? Well, Milosevic tried to force the serbs there to accept that.
The JNA left a lot of equipment behind, and the Serbs there used that. JNA commanders were not in charge, R.S. commanders were.
Ah, so Serbia had no choice, but in a situation you think is identical if not worse with the Turkish and Colombian government, you don't know what they could do? The double standard you accuse me of is all yours. You are willing to justify anything Serbia does, while criticising anything that does not go Serbia's way. You only introduced these other atrocities in a vain attempt to divert attention from Serbia's crimes.
You did not read the rest of what I said there! I said that I would not have supported the status quo situation, of the US funding the extermination of these groups. The cases of these other two countries were far far worse than the situation in kosovo. They were far worse in that one year alone, and if we look at the combined totals over several years, they dwarf kosovo's situation. I did give some suggestions, but I am not sure if that would have helped, and plus, what I said was merely some hints at what might have helped, but I said that I do not know, because all what I said has an extremely low probability because of the US's actions that support the repression and destruction of people.
Again, there were the Rambouillet talks. Serbia would not fully participate.
Man, why do you not look at what happened there? We fully participated, and it was the albanians who were the first to say that this is ridiculous. Well, albright came there to force them to sign. But still, no country would sign it, serbia did not, as we did not want to be sign to be occupied. Appendix B in particular stated that we had to lose our sovereignty.
Serbia offered a counter-proposal, to give the albanians broad autonomy and to get an international UN peacekeeping force there. But no, this was not good enough for NATO. Those members did not want the UN there, they wanted to mess the place up. So, Serbian peace offer that includes UN presence and autonomy for albanians gets rejected... and what is demanded is that the serbs sign something that nobody on earth would. Just what am I talking about? The following...
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Appendix B: Status of Multi-National Military Implementation Force
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1. For the purposes of this Appendix, the following expressions shall have the meanings hereunder assigned to them:
a. "NATO" means the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), its subsidiary bodies, its military Headquarters, the NATO-led KFOR, and any elements/units forming any part of KFOR or supporting KFOR, whether or not they are from a NATO member country and whether or not they are under NATO or national command and control, when acting in furtherance of this Agreement.
b. "Authorities in the FRY" means appropriate authorities, whether Federal, Republic, Kosovo or other.
c. "NATO personnel" means the military, civilian, and contractor personnel assigned or attached to or employed by NATO, including the military, civilian, and contractor personnel from non-NATO states participating in the Operation, with the exception of personnel locally hired.
d. "the Operation" means the support, implementation, preparation, and participation by NATO and NATO personnel in furtherance of this Chapter.
e. "Military Headquarters" means any entity, whatever its denomination, consisting of or constituted in part by NATO military personnel established in order to fulfill the Operation.
f. "Authorities" means the appropriate responsible individual, agency, or organization of the Parties.
g. "Contractor personnel" means the technical experts or functional specialists whose services are required by NATO and who are in the territory of the FRY exclusively to serve NATO either in an advisory capacity in technical matters, or for the setting up, operation, or maintenance of equipment, unless they are: (1) nationals of the FRY; or (2) persons ordinarily resident in the FRY.
h. "Official use" means any use of goods purchased, or of the services received and intended for the performance of any function as required by the operation of the Headquarters.
i. "Facilities" means all buildings, structures, premises, and land required for conducting the operational, training, and administrative activities by NATO for the Operation as well as for accommodation-of NATO personnel. 2. Without prejudice to their privileges and immunities under this Appendix, all NATO personnel shall respect the laws applicable in the FRY, whether Federal, Republic, Kosovo, or other, insofar as compliance with those laws is compatible with the entrusted tasks/mandate and shall refrain from activities not compatible with the nature of the Operation.
3. The Parties recognize the need for expeditious departure and entry procedures for
NATO personnel. Such personnel shall be exempt from passport and visa regulations and the registration requirements applicable to aliens. At all entry and exit points to/from the FRY, NATO personnel shall be permitted to enter/exit the FRY on production of a national identification (ID) card. NATO personnel shall carry identification which they may be requested to produce for the authorities in the FRY, but operations, training, and movement shall not be allowed to be impeded or delayed by such requests.
4. NATO military personnel shall normally wear uniforms, and NATO personnel may possess and carry arms if authorized to do so by their orders. The Parties shall accept as valid, without tax or fee, drivers, licenses and permits issued to NATO personnel by their respective national authorities.
5. NATO shall be permitted to display the NATO flag and/or national flags of its constituent national elements/units on any NATO uniform, means of transport, or facility.
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NATO shall be immune from all legal process, whether civil, administrative, or criminal. b. NATO personnel, under all circumstances and at all times,
shall be immune from the Parties, jurisdiction in respect of any civil, administrative, criminal, or disciplinary offenses which may be committed by them in the FRY. The Parties shall assist States participating in the operation in the exercise of their jurisdiction over their own nationals.
c. Notwithstanding the above, and with the NATO Commander's express agreement in each case, the authorities in the FRY may exceptionally exercise jurisdiction in such matters, but only in respect of Contractor personnel who are not subject to the jurisdiction of their nation of citizenship.
7. NATO personnel shall be immune from any form of arrest, investigation, or detention by the authorities in the FRY. NATO personnel erroneously arrested or detained shall immediately be turned over to NATO authorities.
8. NATO personnel shall enjoy, together with their vehicles, vessels, aircraft, and equipment, free and unrestricted passage and unimpeded access throughout the FRY including associated airspace and territorial waters. This shall include, but not be limited to, the right of bivouac, maneuver, billet, and utilization of any areas or facilities as required for support, training, and operations.
[NOTE: this provision would make the FRY the property of NATO - Jared Israel]9. NATO shall be exempt from duties, taxes, and other charges and inspections and custom regulations including providing inventories or other routine customs documentation, for personnel, vehicles, vessels, aircraft, equipment, supplies, and provisions entering, exiting, or transiting the territory of the FRY in support of the Operation.
10.
The authorities in the FRY shall facilitate, on a priority basis and with all appropriate means, all movement of personnel, vehicles, vessels, aircraft, equipment, or supplies, through or in the airspace, ports, airports, or roads used. No charges may be assessed against NATO for air navigation, landing, or takeoff of aircraft, whether government-owned or chartered. Similarly, no duties, dues, tolls or charges may be assessed against NATO ships, whether government-owned or chartered, for the mere entry and exit of ports. Vehicles, vessels, and aircraft used in support of the operation shall not be subject to licensing or registration requirements, nor commercial insurance.
11.
NATO is granted the use of airports, roads, rails, and ports without payment of fees, duties, dues, tolls, or charges occasioned by mere use. NATO shall not, however, claim exemption from reasonable charges for specific services requested and received, but operations/movement and access shall not be allowed to be impeded pending payment for such services.
12. NATO personnel shall be exempt from taxation by the Parties on the salaries and emoluments received from NATO and on any income received from outside the FRY.
13. NATO personnel and their tangible moveable property imported into, acquired in, or exported from the FRY shall be exempt from all duties, taxes, and other charges and inspections and custom regulations.
14. NATO shall be allowed to import and to export, free of duty, taxes and other charges, such equipment, provisions, and supplies as NATO shall require for the operation, provided such goods are for the official use of NATO or for sale to NATO personnel. Goods sold shall be solely for the use of NATO personnel and not transferable to unauthorized persons.
15. The Parties recognize that the use of communications channels is necessary for the Operation. NATO shall be allowed to operate its own internal mail services.
The Parties shall, upon simple request, grant all telecommunications services, including broadcast services, needed for the Operation, as determined by NATO. This shall include the right to utilize such means and services as required to assure full ability to communicate, and the right to use all of the electromagnetic spectrum for this purpose,
free of cost. In implementing this right, NATO shall make every reasonable effort to coordinate with and take into account the needs and requirements of appropriate authorities in the FRY.16. The Parties shall provide, free of cost, such public facilities as NATO shall require to prepare for and execute the Operation. The Parties shall assist NATO in obtaining, at the lowest rate, the necessary utilities, such as electricity, water, gas and other resources, as NATO shall require for the Operation.
17. NATO and NATO personnel shall be immune from claims of any sort which arise out of activities in pursuance of the operation; however, NATO will entertain claims on an ex gratia basis.
18. NATO shall be allowed to contract directly for the acquisition of goods, services, and construction from any source within and outside the FRY. Such contracts, goods, services, and construction shall not be subject to the payment of duties, taxes, or other charges. NATO may also carry out construction works with their own personnel.
19.
Commercial undertakings operating in the FRY only in the service of NATO shall be exempt from local laws and regulations with respect to the terms and conditions of their employment and licensing and registration of employees, businesses, and corporations.20. NATO may hire local personnel who on an individual basis shall remain subject to local laws and regulations with the exception of labor/employment laws.
However, local personnel hired by NATO shall:
a. be immune from legal process in respect of words spoken or written and all acts performed by them in their official capacity; b. be immune from national services and/or national military service obligations;
c. be subject only to employment terms and conditions established by NATO; and
d. be exempt from taxation on the salaries and emoluments paid to them by NATO.
21. In carrying out its authorities under this Chapter, NATO is authorized to detain individuals and, as quickly as possible, turn them over to appropriate officials.
22.
NATO may, in the conduct of the Operation, have need to make improvements or modifications to certain infrastructure in the FRY, such as roads, bridges, tunnels, buildings, and utility systems. Any such improvements or modifications of a non-temporary nature shall become part of and in the same ownership as that infrastructure. Temporary improvements or modifications may be removed at the discretion of the NATO Commander, and the infrastructure returned to as near its original condition as possible, fair wear and tear excepted.23. Failing any prior settlement, disputes with the regard to the interpretation or application of this Appendix shall be settled between NATO and the appropriate authorities in the FRY.
24. Supplementary arrangements with any of the Parties may be concluded to facilitate any details connected with the Operation.
25. The provisions of this Appendix shall remain in force until completion of the Operation or as the Parties and NATO otherwise agree.
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Hopefully you have been educated as to what went on in Rambulliet, an offer to a country to surrender its sovereignty. The austrians did the same thing right before they invaded us in ww1. And as always, a peaceful solution through the UN is rejected. Nice. What next is terrorist america going to do?edit: And if you want to talk about some more NATO stuff just let me know. There's plenty of material out there that explains how NATO did not want peace, how NATO did not want a peaceful solution, how NATO did everything to avoid peace, and how the West took sides, the side of the terrorists that were Europe's main drug smugglers and who kidnapped serbs and then sold their organs. Al quaida was their buddy too. Oh wait, we created alquaida, here in the US. Yeah, we'll use that as a false reason to attack iraq, and who knows who else.
Pst, I heard that venezuela has band new al quaida cells! Time go go bomb again!