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ingliz wrote:@Pewty

It will be the same as any other election. Only this time the cogs and gears of American governance will be on show and Oz won't be hiding behind a curtain.


:lol:


Yes, if you like.

I can't see it myself.
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Tainari88 wrote:Capitalism has been promoted as the best thing invented since sliced bread.

I have been saying that if you love capitalism you hate democracy

What do you mean by capitalism? For example I'm a aware that some people think that Qing China was not capitalist but feudal. Are you suggesting that we should return to a system like the Qing had?
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Rich wrote:What do you mean by capitalism? For example I'm a aware that some people think that Qing China was not capitalist but feudal. Are you suggesting that we should return to a system like the Qing had?


The problem I have with you my main man in England Rich is that you and I both know you are not an ignorant, uninformed, uneducated foolish person. You are fully informed.

You are not the rich and powerful either in the UK.

But, you believe in what?

A long time ago I had some conservative members of PoFo tell me or try to tell me who I was in terms of my identity. I set them straight.

People who do not know who they are and who they owe their loyalties to because of their entire lifetime's experiences in this world? And their roots and knowing their own histories in the scheme of human history are really fools Rich.

No, Rich, capitalism is an economic system that is a step above slavery times. But it is not equality and about sharing prosperity with all of the ones doing the work and putting in the efforts everyday. No. It is about having a small group own and another group not own and it becomes a power struggle Rich my main man.

Do you think I live with the lie that Puerto Rico and the Puerto Ricans are a powerful Empire that can destroy the world and my ambitions by having Puerto Rico become an independent nation is about creating a world Empire? When all it is a little Caribbean island that is 100 miles by 35 miles long and has about 3.3 million people on it? Boricua empire shit is for deluional fools.

But you got a nation founded on getting the British Empire and King George ousted and talking about some radical constitution and a fledgling democracy and then betraying its own foundational principles by imitating a dead European Empire that used capitalism as a way of living off of other nations via imperialism.

They lose their Empire. They have some bootlicker like Sunak in charge for a while. Truss throws in the towel and Boris is a middle class fool....Prince Harry marries a mixed race woman from Los Angeles...and the beat goes on.

No, capitalism is not about equal rights and human rights, or sharing the wealth via socialism and basics like universal health care and the NHS in the UK...created because paying for health care while London is bombed by the Third Reich is not logical.

Yet, the Yankee government is so attached to making money that they refuse to pass legislation to make it happen even though the vast majority of the American voters are for it.

Why? Money rules and it is corrupt. It has both parties in their pockets. But the American public has been brainwashed that any form of socialize medicine, socialized education, socialized housing and basics are not to be implemented. Because it is against the for profit model. The only one worth a damn as a model.

It is not.

But these events teach more than anything else in the world Rich.

I am not snowed by the rascally stuff you come up with.

Qing dynasty. They were the ones who humilated the Chinese people. Folding to the British Drug Pushers and the Opium Wars.

The Chinese have a very long documented history. They are not Yankees with teflon historic memories. They have memories like Elephants.

Come on Rich....are you going to say those comments are not racist now? Be real.

Amii Stewart said it best. Get Real Rich. My main man in England. :lol: :lol: :D

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Tainari88 wrote:@Rancid I think the insults are good. It is time to wake up about people under the illusion like @Rich that somehow the racism is not there with Trump. Yeah, whatever..... :lol: :D



Bring on more insults. My husband sent his relatives on the island a clip of what the racists said about the island. Their response? I can't vote for anything in the USA. But you two can in Mexico....vote against them for us.

That is what is going on. The dumb ass Puerto Ricans voting for the assholes are uniting with us...the far Left Puerto Ricans. That is what is going to happen. Unification against the racists.

Once that happens?

It is going to result in pulling away from the states. More facturing for the USA? The only result is going to be world power being taken away....bit by bit.


Did you see the bit where he talks about going "halvsies" on a slave?
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Rancid wrote:going "halfsies" on a slave

The 2023 Global Slavery Index estimates that on any given day in 2021, 1.1 million people were living as slaves in the US, the highest number of people in modern slavery in the Americas.
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ingliz wrote:The 2023 Global Slavery Index estimates that on any given day in 2021, 1.1 million people were living as slaves in the US, the highest number of people in modern slavery in the Americas.


But they are Christians who love Jesus say the @Verv types.

They are not racists and haters. They are goody two shoe Christians that love the garbage lower classes and the ones who are not WASPY.

Oh, is that right? :lol:
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Election disruption has started early ...

Early ballots were burned in suspected attacks on drop boxes in Washington and Oregon. These were small incendiary devices and not a threat to life and limb, but there has been chatter online that timed explosive devices will be dropped into drop boxes next if voters keep using them.
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Rancid wrote:Did you see the bit where he talks about going "halvsies" on a slave?


Please.

He is about being an asshole. Lol. He is the comedian for the show in Madison Square Garden.

Michigan, Pennsylvania and the other swing states are chock full of Puerto Ricans. Galore. That can vote.

The islanders can't vote. Only the ones who moved to the states and registered to vote are allowed to vote. That is why Rick Scott in Florida wanted to distance himself. He knows that the Puerto Ricans are a lot of voters in Florida. You start hating on them? They will vote against you. For sure. He might lose the governor's race simply for being in the same party as the racists.

He is in a panic. Oh uh.... :lol:
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ingliz wrote:Election disruption has started early ...

Early ballots were burned in suspected attacks on drop boxes in Washington and Oregon. These were small incendiary devices and not a threat to life and limb, but there has been chatter that timed explosives are to be dropped into drop boxes.


But Ingliz that kind of stuff only happens in Banana Republics. Not in the Greatest Nation of Racist Idiots on Earth....lol.
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Tainari88 wrote:That is why Rick Scott in Florida


Yea, I saw that. Republicans are complicit in the raise of this fascism. Make no mistake, they enabled Trump/MAGA all the way to today.

Rick Scott is a piece of shit that can eat a black rubber dick. FUck him.
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Rancid wrote:Yea, I saw that. Republicans are complicit in the raise of this fascism. Make no mistake, they enabled Trump/MAGA all the way to today.

Rick Scott is a piece of shit that can eat a black rubber dick. FUck him.


Scott is a serious candidate for the next Republican Senate leader. Just watch.
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I am waiting for the violence. I have no doubts there are going to be violent incidents in a lot of states.

The reality is that for the fascists and far right they prefer to go for violent takeovers rather than submit to the Kooky Left. The Satanic Liberals. The Specters of Satan.

Lol. They do not accept that the most Anti Christ and evil behavior comes from them. Living in Denial Folks. :D
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Rancid wrote:@Verv did you watch the Madison Square Garden Trump rally?

That is some straight Nazi shit right there. You support that?


No, I didn't watch it - I am not a super big Trump fan or anything. I do not watch the rallies.

I also do not cover the hysterical coverage of leftists that treat a bunch of guys in business suits presenting moderate Democrat economic nationalism from the 1990s, anti-immigration stances, and peace-in-the-Ukraine talk as a Nazi rally.

One of the biggest issues for everyone in Europe and the US has been the massive influx of illegal immigrants that do not integrate with the country in any way whatsoever. At no point has anyone suggested shipping back actual citizens, but rather the suggestion has been to send back those who broke the law and to reform existing policy so we do not have to have a trial for every single person who doesn't want to go back because Honduras is poor & terrible.

I agree Honduras is poor & terrible and I absolutely want to see it fixed, which is why spending a hundred billion on a Ukrainian forever war and funding an apartheid state are terrible. It would be more helpful for Americans to fix Central America as much as we can than it would be to fight Putin...

But billionaires benefit from forever war and infinite cheap labor in a broken immigration system, and they tend to determine what happens.

The best chance we have of getting the problem fixed is through a disruptor like Trump who already has some very radical & correct ideas, like the return of isolationism, which, of course, has the very strange, very American, and very Jewish billionaire exception of infinite money for the settler state of '48.
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At Trump's Madison Square Garden Rally there were both anti-Semites and Jewish opportunists . His campaign even found some Jew old enough to have lived through the Holocaust to counter the claim made that Trump is a fascist . I say if only the Democrats had the where with all to find an emigre from a Communist country to rebut the assertion that Kamala Harris is in any way a Communist , as Trump has alleged .


https://www.jta.org/2024/10/27/united-states/trumps-madison-square-garden-rally-to-feature-tucker-carlson-who-recently-hosted-holocaust-denier

https://www.jta.org/2024/10/27/politics/trump-campaign-ad-features-holocaust-survivor-rebutting-harris-fascist-allegation


https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-marxist-we-asked-actual-communists-1953534
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Just as a note: there does not appear to be much in terms of moderation. I think the priority is placed on retaining the active members.

However...

We should just remember that allowing such a level of ad hominem and ill behavior likely will prevent the rebirth of the forum.
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Deutschmania wrote:At Trump's Madison Square Garden Rally there were both anti-Semites and Jewish opportunists . His campaign even found some Jew old enough to have lived through the Holocaust to counter the claim made that Trump is a fascist . I say if only the Democrats had the where with all to find an emigre from a Communist country to rebut the assertion that Kamala Harris is in any way a Communist , as Trump has alleged .


https://www.jta.org/2024/10/27/united-states/trumps-madison-square-garden-rally-to-feature-tucker-carlson-who-recently-hosted-holocaust-denier

https://www.jta.org/2024/10/27/politics/trump-campaign-ad-features-holocaust-survivor-rebutting-harris-fascist-allegation


https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-marxist-we-asked-actual-communists-1953534


I had always thought 'Trump is a Fascist' / 'Kamala is a Communist' is some hyperbolic statement or, at worse, someone willing to suggest that if enough dots are connected, we could end up in such a grave state..!

But the more I read PoFo and other commentary these days, the more I see that people are committed to this insane line that Trump is an authentic Fascist.

This is pretty wild especially considering that they do not think of him as some handsome, super intelligence, suave, charismatic figure that is some nuanced cryptofascist and existential threat... But he's a blundering idiot suffering from senility but also clearly a Fascist.

OK.

I don't even think these people are stupid enough to believe what they are saying.
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Verv wrote:No, I didn't watch it - I am not a super big Trump fan or anything. I do not watch the rallies.

I also do not cover the hysterical coverage of leftists that treat a bunch of guys in business suits presenting moderate Democrat economic nationalism from the 1990s, anti-immigration stances, and peace-in-the-Ukraine talk as a Nazi rally.

One of the biggest issues for everyone in Europe and the US has been the massive influx of illegal immigrants that do not integrate with the country in any way whatsoever. At no point has anyone suggested shipping back actual citizens, but rather the suggestion has been to send back those who broke the law and to reform existing policy so we do not have to have a trial for every single person who doesn't want to go back because Honduras is poor & terrible.

I agree Honduras is poor & terrible and I absolutely want to see it fixed, which is why spending a hundred billion on a Ukrainian forever war and funding an apartheid state are terrible. It would be more helpful for Americans to fix Central America as much as we can than it would be to fight Putin...

But billionaires benefit from forever war and infinite cheap labor in a broken immigration system, and they tend to determine what happens.

The best chance we have of getting the problem fixed is through a disruptor like Trump who already has some very radical & correct ideas, like the return of isolationism, which, of course, has the very strange, very American, and very Jewish billionaire exception of infinite money for the settler state of '48.


That party is racist Verv. It is obviously racist. Why have a line of racists making racist jokes over and over again if it is not a racist philosophy at its core?

No you do not want Hondurans and illegal. Should have stopped the interventions of Cantral America destroying those nations thoroughly for generations now. Destruction and horrible violence perpetrated with US government dollars and backing terrible regimes.

You will never take responsibility for that. Because in your mind there is nothing there that you are responsible for.

You live a lie and in denial. The racist crap. classist crap is HORRIBLE. And so are the rallies filled with racist insults.

If you use violence to seize power? You will start a civil war. YOU. That is YOU Verv.

And all that blood is going to be on your head. No one else's.
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Will a Trump administration deport large numbers of people? No it will not. Why? Because Musk and Bezos can't run their businesses and personal estates without them.

But if we deport all those brown people there will be poor white people eager for the jobs. Yea. Right.

If we get rid of cheap labor, that will drive up the wages of working white 'mericans. Oh sure it will. That is exactly what the Oligarchs want. Skyrocketing wages.

But could he do it if he wanted to? Two answers. First is that the far right and oligarchs would just love to have Vance running the show. Read, Trump but without quite as much makeup. The very minute that Trump tries to get in the pockets of big business with a tax, such as rapidly rising wages, they will 25th Amendment his ass out of there is a second. And it could absolutely not be easier:

Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Read the above very carefully. It does not say all. It says a majority of principal officers. It does not require the approval of congress initially. Too easy. And will the democrats in congress vote to remove Trump. They would be required to get to the number that would make it permanent. I hope not. If Trump is elected let the republicans enjoy their victory.

So here is what the Republicans will deliver on with regard to campaign promises......Tax cuts for the wealthy. The rest of it, not so much. Even if they control the senate and house they will get nothing done except tax cuts. Oh. And appointing judges, and dismantling consumer and environmental protection. That's all.

Who will be the big losers if Trump wins? Well not me. My own altruistic and patriotic ideals not withstanding, Trump will continue the pass through cuts which reduce my tax load by 20% from my pass through entities. That is not an inconsiderable chunk of money. It is more than the average blue collar worker in the US ears every year.

Being white and straight, the rest of it is just clutter. It does not apply to me....for now. Of course I will not have to put up with uppity women or minorities as much as in the past. Pronouns will be much easier to handle.

So there it is.

Verve. Honest to God dude. Read your Bible. Look at the red words. You know. The ones Jesus supposedly actually said. Christianity is not hard. If you have to look at two or more versus to answer your question, you do not get it.
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I don't want to sound like I am shitting on your concerns, Tainari, but I just don't think there will be a civil war or any violation of people's civil rights in a broad sense.

I understand how there are things like due process violations, questionable arrests, etc., that will invariably and unavoidably occur, and I admire that you point them out and we should treat them as a problem...

I think being very critical of Trump and his administration is the duty of journalists and of citizens, and I will be sensitive to your concerns...

But I just don't see any scenario where we become a fascist country or there is a civil war.

It's going to PROBABLY be 4 years of complex legal warfare and huge congressional battles and an insane media environment. I'd be surprised if it isn't. But that is a far cry from actual warfare.
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@Verv , and @Tainari88 , funny thing is, both of you are right, and wrong, to a degree.

And dont get me wrong i love you folks, really, with that stereotypical broadmindedness, eh Verv? Lol...

Trump's not a Fascist per se, but its the next stage in my opinion: Anarcho-Capitalism.

You all remember its main proponent on PoFo here, "Victoribus Spolia", right?

For those who dont know what it is:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism

They're not going to do much of anything like previous generations of politicians, theyre going to surprise a lot of people.

That's what i think anyway. Cut away and privatize everything and leave people to their own devices, Social Darwinism style.
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