[QatzelOk]

An entire page of one and two-line "burps."

Debate is either well written and well structured, or it is a series of empty one-liners and ad hom.

[wat0n]

Courts can be even more damaging, let alone the federal government.

Donors can and often are replaced.

[Pants-of-dog]

The argument that a settlement with no cash penalties us more significant than a multi-million dollar loss of donations has not been supported in any way and is logically implausible on the face of it, since losing millions of dollars is objectively more significant to finances than a loss of zero dollars.

And the argument that the federal government is also a significant factor has been pointed out, By me. This is because the government is also reacting to donor pressure, and is also supporting the donor movement of withholding funds if not enough censorship happens on campuses.

[wat0n]

Columbia reaching a settlement implies it understands it can't win in court.

The fact students did not ask to get any significant amount of money shows such lawsuit isn't motivated by money but by a genuine desire to stop the harassment Jewish students have been subjected to at Columbia due to the school's negligence.

Columbia opted to settle because a continuation of the trial would have led to discovery, and it's likely private statements by school officials showing they don't care about on campus racism would have been made public, and that such policy of negligence was in fact motivated by bigotry on their part. This coming out publicly wouldn't have just costed Columbia donors, but the trial itself would have ended it costing millions and the loss of federal funding as required by law. So settling makes perfect sense.

Yet one of our local leftist segregationists believes this is no issue at all

[KurtFF8]

leftist segregationists

Literally no such thing as this. This exists purely as a fantasy in your mind.

[wat0n]

Literally no such thing as this. This exists purely as a fantasy in your mind.

There is indeed such a thing.

The historic effort to limit Jewish access to higher education dating from the 1960s in the Soviet Union is well-known.

The harassment of Jewish students and the effort by leftists to dissolve Jewish student organizations is also well known and part of a pattern to drive Jews out of US universities.

[KurtFF8]

There is indeed such a thing.

The historic effort to limit Jewish access to higher education dating from the 1960s in the Soviet Union is well-known.

The harassment of Jewish students and the effort by leftists to dissolve Jewish student organizations is also well known and part of a pattern to drive Jews out of US universities.

To clarify, this isn't a "difference of opinion" between you and I. You're objectively wrong about this and what you're claiming is false. You think that pointing out a problematic practice of the USSR that zero contemporary Left wing organizations promote or uphold is some kind of gotcha? It's almost sad how weak your argument here is.

[wat0n]

To clarify, this isn't a "difference of opinion" between you and I. You're objectively wrong about this and what you're claiming is false. You think that pointing out a problematic practice of the USSR that zero contemporary Left wing organizations promote or uphold is some kind of gotcha? It's almost sad how weak your argument here is.

No, I am not objectively wrong about Soviet policies. Their discrimination against Jews in education is very well known (example), and no it's not just during Stalin.

That leftists organizations are trying to get Jewish student organizations like Hillel banned from campuses is also well known and indeed it's something they've demanded in some universities like UC Santa Cruz (also goes to show they don't like free speech or anything like that).

This is on top of their support for antisemitic organizations beyond campus, including those that support the October 7 massacre.

[Pants-of-dog]

Columbia reaching a settlement does not imply it understands it can not win in court.

It implies that the cost of a settlement is less than the cost of court, which is true for almost any trial.

The motivation of the students is irrelevant to the action of the administration whose motivations are actually important.

And speculation about what might have happened in a trial is not evidence.

The actual verified quotes by donors threatening to withhold funds is evidence.

[KurtFF8]

No, I am not objectively wrong about Soviet policies. Their discrimination against Jews in education is very well known (example), and no it's not just during Stalin.

That leftists organizations are trying to get Jewish student organizations like Hillel banned from campuses is also well known and indeed it's something they've demanded in some universities like UC Santa Cruz (also goes to show they don't like free speech or anything like that).

This is on top of their support for antisemitic organizations beyond campus, including those that support the October 7 massacre.

Zero Leftist organizations want to ban Jewish students from attending universities. This is just a lie. Why do you constantly have to resort to demonstrably false things instead of staying with reality when having this conversation? It's pathetic.

[wat0n]

Columbia reaching a settlement does not imply it understands it can not win in court.

It implies that the cost of a settlement is less than the cost of court, which is true for almost any trial.

The motivation of the students is irrelevant to the action of the administration whose motivations are actually important.

And speculation about what might have happened in a trial is not evidence.

The actual verified quotes by donors threatening to withhold funds is evidence.

This is not speculation, and certainly not more than blaming Jewish donors.

Fact is, a trial is not expensive at all if you're not guilty of what you're being accused of. Settling implies Columbia knows it can't win and indeed nowhere in the settlement it is mentioned Columbia doesn't admit guilt.

Zero Leftist organizations want to ban Jewish students from attending universities. This is just a lie. Why do you constantly have to resort to demonstrably false things instead of staying with reality when having this conversation? It's pathetic.

Hillel is a mainstream Jewish student organization.

Banning it is in fact hostile to Jewish students and seeks to drive them out of school.

[KurtFF8]

Hillel is a mainstream Jewish student organization.

Banning it is in fact hostile to Jewish students and seeks to drive them out of school.

Hillel is an organization that promotes the state of Israel and has been combative against the BDS movement. You're misrepresenting not only this organization but what the opposition to them is.

Why are you so unable to avoid lying when talking about these things? You just clown yourself with them constantly.

[wat0n]

Hillel is an organization that promotes the state of Israel and has been combative against the BDS movement. You're misrepresenting not only this organization but what the opposition to them is.

Why are you so unable to avoid lying when talking about these things? You just clown yourself with them constantly.

Hillel is also a mainstream student organization.

It seems you don't like how Jewish students think, and want to segregate them.

Of course this is not just against freedom of speech - weird to see leftists whine about it - but antisemitic since this standard doesn't apply to other student organizations.

[Pants-of-dog]

Talking about what might have happened at a trial is speculation.

On the other hand, Zionist supporters have openly threatened withholding funds. If we can read their own words, there is no speculation at all. Robert Kraft, for example, has been very explicit.

The fact is that trials are expensive regardless of whether or not you are the guilty party or the plaintiff. This is because lawyers cost money and this is why Columbia settled: it costs less.

[wat0n]

Talking about what might have happened at a trial is speculation.

On the other hand, Zionist supporters have openly threatened withholding funds. If we can read their own words, there is no speculation at all. Robert Kraft, for example, has been very explicit.

It is speculation Columbia cared about any of this.

By the way, the use of "Zionist" as a substitute for "Jew" is noted.

The fact is that trials are expensive regardless of whether or not you are the guilty party or the plaintiff. This is because lawyers cost money and this is why Columbia settled: it costs less.

Usually the party that loses the trial has to pay for the lawyers. Not an issue for a wealthy school like Columbia.