[Skynet]

Races exist but like @Potemkin said, for most people is their nation and religion more important... we never saw a race war but many wars between close related nations (Russia vs. Ukraine) or because of religion (Serbs, Croats, Bosnians...) are one Yugoslav nation by language and culture but just religion divides them.

But will we see the birth of a new human race, because most biohackers are white...

[FiveofSwords]

Well, I'm also not genetically identical to my neighbors either. You know, not being my relatives and all that.

What does way of life have to do with genetics?

Way of life has everything to do with genetics. A lion and a gazelle both live on the African Savanah but they have totally different genetics because they have a different way of life.

[FiveofSwords]

Races exist but like @Potemkin said, for most people is their nation and religion more important... we never saw a race war but many wars between close related nations (Russia vs. Ukraine) or because of religion (Serbs, Croats, Bosnians...) are one Yugoslav nation by language and culture but just religion divides them.

But will we see the birth of a new human race, because most biohackers are white...

I disagree. Nation cannot be separated from race and religion has no meaning when it is disconnected from race. It is not always conscious, butbit is there. The great schism just happened to separate western Europe (r1b haplogroup) from east (r1a). Coincidence? No. The Protestant revolution just happened to separate Northern Europe from southern Europe. Coincidence? Nihilism began to flourish as countries became more diverse and Christianity became less white. The loyalty people have to the usa plummeted as it became less white. Even if you don't want to believe the importance of race, objective observations like this cannot be denied.

I have no idea what you think a bio hacker is lol. But the most significant genetics research actually happens in China. The west is unable to study such things because Germany lost ww2.

[wat0n]

Way of life has everything to do with genetics. A lion and a gazelle both live on the African Savanah but they have totally different genetics because they have a different way of life.

I disagree. Nation cannot be separated from race and religion has no meaning when it is disconnected from race. It is not always conscious, butbit is there. The great schism just happened to separate western Europe (r1b haplogroup) from east (r1a). Coincidence? No. The Protestant revolution just happened to separate Northern Europe from southern Europe. Coincidence? Nihilism began to flourish as countries became more diverse and Christianity became less white. The loyalty people have to the usa plummeted as it became less white. Even if you don't want to believe the importance of race, objective observations like this cannot be denied.

So for instance Amish Americans are of a different race from white Bay Area residents? They have very different ways of life and religion.

[Potemkin]

Way of life has everything to do with genetics. A lion and a gazelle both live on the African Savanah but they have totally different genetics because they have a different way of life.

A lion and a gazelle occupy different trophic niches, @FiveofSwords. Humans (like all species) occupy only a single trophic niche. The concept of “way of life” is too vague. An accountant and a firefighter have completely different ways of life, yet can belong to the same ‘race’. How do you account for this?

[FiveofSwords]

So for instance Amish Americans are of a different race from white Bay Area residents? They have very different ways of life and religion.

Over time, if they continue to be genetically isolated, there could even be speciation. But there also needs to be reproductive pressures to drive evolution. If every Amish person reproduces the same amount then their dna simply will not change much over time. And they haven't existed in a separate way of life for all that long. This stuff is just elementary evolutionary biology...it isn't some fringe politics.

[FiveofSwords]

A lion and a gazelle occupy different trophic niches, @FiveofSwords. Humans (like all species) occupy only a single trophic niche. The concept of “way of life” is too vague. An accountant and a firefighter have completely different ways of life, yet can belong to the same ‘race’. How do you account for this?

No, we do not occupy the exact same niche. It is slightly different between different races. It is rather predictable that the European, living in such a harsh continent, would lean very heavily on technology as a way to overcome nature and then also a way to overcome distant foreign people. This should be viewed from an evolutionary perspective because other attempts (such as Jared diamond) are just incoherent and incomplete.

[wat0n]

Over time, if they continue to be genetically isolated, there could even be speciation. But there also needs to be reproductive pressures to drive evolution. If every Amish person reproduces the same amount then their dna simply will not change much over time. And they haven't existed in a separate way of life for all that long. This stuff is just elementary evolutionary biology...it isn't some fringe politics.

The same can be said about all human groups.

[FiveofSwords]

The same can be said about all human groups.

Okay. And I would say the same about all human groups.

[FiveofSwords]

A lion and a gazelle occupy different trophic niches, @FiveofSwords. Humans (like all species) occupy only a single trophic niche. The concept of “way of life” is too vague. An accountant and a firefighter have completely different ways of life, yet can belong to the same ‘race’. How do you account for this?

An accountant and a firefighter occupy distinct roles in the same society. They don't have a different way of life, just different roles. All social animals have thr same sort if phenomenon...not every wolf has the same role. Of course there is significant genetic difference between male and female and yes of course they also occupy different roles...but a race has both male and female. Specialized roles are supported by monogamous reproduction. While the firefighter and accountant perform different functions, they both drive in the same general society, or perish in the same general society. Their generalized goals and values must be the thriving of their race and nation, or else their activities will lack no purpose and they will fall into nihilism.

[ingliz]

Specialized roles are supported by monogamous reproduction

No, they are not.

You only have to look at the numbers from the US Census Bureau to see you are talking out of your arse as usual.

Humans are not monogamous. Both males and females have been shown to employ flexible mating strategies with multiple partners over a lifetime.

Why do you think there's a biblical commandment telling you not to covet your neighbour's wife if you are not coveting?

The roles associated with gender are socially constructed.

[wat0n]

Okay. And I would say the same about all human groups.

Like for instance that the different human groups haven't been separated for long enough time to have begun a sub-speciation process?

[FiveofSwords]

No, they are not.

You only have to look at the numbers from the US Census Bureau to see you are talking out of your arse as usual.

Humans are not monogamous. Both males and females have been shown to employ flexible mating strategies with multiple partners over a lifetime.

Why do you think there's a biblical commandment telling you not to covet your neighbour's wife if you are not coveting?

The roles associated with gender are socially constructed.

Good job failing to make a point again. Also fyi, that is not the commandment. The commandment mentions your neighbors donkey or female slave.

[FiveofSwords]

Like for instance that the different human groups haven't been separated for long enough time to have begun a sub-speciation process?

Of course they have. And race could be used interchangeably with sub species.

[ingliz]

that is not the commandment

Wrong!

The references to the Ten Commandments in Jewish Bibles are Exodus 20:2–14 and Deuteronomy 5:6–18.

But to avoid confusing you, I will keep to the Christian numbering.

Moses recorded God’s words in Exodus 20 and recounted the event again in Deuteronomy 5.

The Tenth Commandment ...

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

— Exodus 20:17 KJV

Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.

— Deuteronomy 5:21 KJV

[FiveofSwords]

Wrong!

The references to the Ten Commandments in Jewish Bibles are Exodus 20:2–14 and Deuteronomy 5:6–18.

But to avoid confusing you, I will keep to the Christian numbering.

Moses recorded God’s words in Exodus 20 and recounted the event again in Deuteronomy 5.

The Tenth Commandment ...

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

— Exodus 20:17 KJV

Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.

— Deuteronomy 5:21 KJV

Yeah, a list of random stuff you should not covet. The gist being that you simply should not covet things your neighbor has. With your demonstrably poor reading comprehension you read this and think it means this is about monogamy. No, it is clearly just about respecting property rights.

[Tainari88]

@ingliz the problem with dyslexia for our resident White Genocide man here is that any information that contradicts his belief of the culture you are raised is--is in your blood and not in your socially learned stuff is a mental dyslexia that he will have permanently.

[Tainari88]

A lion and a gazelle occupy different trophic niches, @FiveofSwords. Humans (like all species) occupy only a single trophic niche. The concept of “way of life” is too vague. An accountant and a firefighter have completely different ways of life, yet can belong to the same ‘race’. How do you account for this?

He can't process complexity Potemkin. It is obvious by now.

He can't make distinctions between history, socially learned behaviors that are changeable or malleable over time, and genetic materially and biologically grounded phenomenon that also is flexible but a lot slower and subject to the rules of the scientific method and natural law. He can't do it. Not able to understand it or is blind due to prejudice.

Complexity is not for him. It never has been.

[ingliz]

it is clearly just about respecting property rights.

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Why have you gone all Hebrew over this?

Christians and the Tenth Commandment...

The Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, which has informed Gentile readers for centuries, employs the verb epithumeo, which translates as 'to set one’s heart upon, to long for, to desire.'

Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife

— Deuteronomy 5:21 KJV

It is then 'adultery in your heart' and it's all about lust and sex.

Thou shalt not commit adultery.

— Exodus 20:14

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

— Matthew 5:28 KJV

[FiveofSwords]

:
Why have you gone all Hebrew over this?

Christians and the Tenth Commandment...

The Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, which has informed Gentile readers for centuries, employs the verb epithumeo, which translates as 'to set one’s heart upon, to long for, to desire.'

Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife

— Deuteronomy 5:21 KJV

It is then 'adultery in your heart' and it's all about lust and sex.

Thou shalt not commit adultery.

— Exodus 20:14

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

— Matthew 5:28 KJV

Christianity forbids adultery, yes. But the commandment about coveting is obviously about property rights, not monogamy. This is just another example of your poor reading comprehension.

In fact, the OT is not explicit about monogamy which is why some fringe Christian groups do polygamy. The Gothic European tribes did not practice monogamy immediately after converting to Christianity. Monogamy began as a reaction to thr xivil war between the Franks and burgundy and was chosen ostensibly as a form of political expedience.

Anyway...my original point was that monogamy supports specialized roles...and in a biological sense...because genes that make a person talented at accounting or firefighting are preserved...rather than genes simply dedicated to gathering a large harem. Nothing you had to say even addressed this point...which was one reading comprehension fail...but also what you quoted was simply wrong and a misunderstanding, which was another.