[wat0n]

The supposed evidence for misquoting is a single tweet, and has been addressed in a more topical thread many times.

It actually hasn't, and the tweet has sources.

The supposed genocidal chants have been reviewed and there was no explicit call for genocide. It was all inference, and requires the assumption that protesters are secretly Bad Guys.

Genocidal rhetoric does not need to be explicit, unless you believe that speaking of a "final solution" was not genocidal rhetoric. Besides, it is quite explicitly genocidal to call for massacring a population.

There was no footage of harassment.

Yes there was.

There was one short clip of a man who was not touched and who (to avoid bumping into others who deliberately stood in his way) ended up just walking around. This is also not harassment.

It actually is a form of harassment

harass
verb
ha·​rass hə-ˈras ˈher-əs, ˈha-rəs
harassed; harassing; harasses
Synonyms of harass
transitive verb

1
a
: EXHAUST, FATIGUE
I have been harassed with the toil of verse
—William Wordsworth
b
(1)
: to annoy persistently
was harassing his younger brother
(2)
: to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct
was being harassed by her classmates
claims that the police were unfairly harassing him
2
: to worry and impede by repeated raids
harassed the enemy
harasser noun
harassment
hə-ˈras-mənt
ˈher-əs-
ˈha-rəs-
noun

There is the fact that the police only act against Palestinian supporters despite clear attacks on Palestinian supporters. This has not been addressed.

Manifestly false.

There is the fact that wealthy donors support stifling dissent snd have used their economic leverage to do so.

Also false, anti-Zionist speech has been a campus feature for decades without donors ever doing anything to stop it.

There is the fact that these protests have been, by and large, peaceful.

Yet others have been violent, including the ones at Columbia and UCLA.

There is the fact that Congress and the establishment have clearly sided with one side, and that is the one opposed to the protesters.

And for good reason, the public is generally against the protesters with each and every example of harassment and violent behavior solidifying such opposition.

None of this has been addressed except to call the protesters Bad Guys.

There

If anything the footage of harassment and genocidal rhetoric has been posted several times now.

[Pants-of-dog]

Please provide an example of a Zionist protester being arrested. Thanks.

Also, provide an example of a protest being violent. Thanks.

[Sherlock Holmes]

The cause of the Oct 7 attacks is that Israel exists in any form whatsoever, and Hamas is a jihadist extremist terrorist organization whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel via jihad so that Muslims can take control of every inch of land in the region. This comes directly from Hamas' own charter:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory)."
...
"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem)."
...
"The day that enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised. To do this requires the diffusion of Islamic consciousness among the masses, both on the regional, Arab and Islamic levels. It is necessary to instill the spirit of Jihad in the heart of the nation so that they would confront the enemies and join the ranks of the fighters."
...
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp


They're either lying or horribly naive and uneducated as to what the phrase actually means and are acting essentially as useful idiots for anti-Zionists who wish to destroy Israel, including Hamas:

"From the river to the sea is a political phrase that refers geographically to the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, an area historically called Palestine, which today includes Israel and the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories of the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_ ... o_the_sea#

From the 2017 Hamas charter update:

"Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea."
...
"Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras al-Naqurah in the north to Umm al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity."

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hama ... ument-full

You're no doubt referring to an earlier version of the charter, the 2017 revised version has inflammatory language removed.

Israel is - according to international law (the UN) - illegally occupying territory that lies outside of the boundaries defined by the UN before 1967.

The UN charter makes it clear that occupation by a foreign power can be resisted, Palestinian resistance is no different to say French resistance to the German occupation in WW2.

You can disagree with the UN if you want, it doesn't matter, the facts are the facts.

Israel is founded on racial supremacy, the government was not elected, the people of Palestine who lie inside the original Israel borders from 1948 had no say in the matter, no vote.

Many Jews including early Zionist Jews were in favor of an elected government for the whole of Palestine, were each person would become a citizen of the new state and no special rights or privileges would be afforded to specific ethnic or religious groups.

The past is the past, what's done is done, what we should be seeing is impartiality from the United States and other nations, with a goal of correcting the huge imbalance in rights and privileges of all the people in Palestine. The two state solution has been undermined decade after decade and any attempt to create a single state where Palestinians, Jews and others are all equal citizens, is also off the table.

There are two directions we can go, first sit and watch as Israel continues its mass murder and destruction (including territorial expansion and settler theft of land and property) until we reach the stage where there is no longer any significant Palestinian resistance OR apply sanctions against Israel (including military support) with the clear stipulation that it must comply with the many UN resolutions that is is violating (Israel is in violation of more resolutions than the rest of the world combined).

Only the former is ever considered by the United States because Israel serves the geopolitical purpose of thwarting Arab and Palestinian self determination, this is total in keeping with US foreign policy, undermine democracy anywhere that it might conflict with US interests (as is the case in Latin America and Palestine).

[wat0n]

^ typical leftist nonsense, Israeli Arabs do vote and indeed also voted in the first election in 1949.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrati ... f_Nazareth

Please provide an example of a Zionist protester being arrested. Thanks.

You seem to be changing the goalposts.

You first demanded to see police acting against Zionists, now you want footage of police specifically arresting them.

If you want an example of the former:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68856360

Fortunately, since Zionists generally listen to the cops, they are not being arrested. The only exception being at UCLA, where the police had orders to stand and not do anything precisely until it became clear there would be a pro-Israel response.

Also, provide an example of a protest being violent. Thanks.

Evident assault there.

[Rugoz]

Israel Defenders: "It's the people we're killing that want to genocide!!"

True enough. Both sides would genocide each other if they could.

[QatzelOk]

...Israel is founded on racial supremacy, the government was not elected, the people of Palestine who lie inside the original Israel borders from 1948 had no say in the matter, no vote.

Many Jews including early Zionist Jews were in favor of an elected government for the whole of Palestine, were each person would become a citizen of the new state and no special rights or privileges would be afforded to specific ethnic or religious groups...

Yes but eventually the mafia would have "created" the "need" for special rights and privileges.

Organized crime doesn't share with anyone. They whack them instead so they can have all the resources.

[Sherlock Holmes]

This is short and sweet and very accurate:

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[Pants-of-dog]

So the only example of police acting against defenders of genocide is an inappropriate comment and an apology.

Since that is the case, we can safely say the police are on the side of those defending the genocide.

And a picture of a tweet does not constitute evidence.

Where and when did this assault take place? And note this is an act by an individual, and does not even show a violent protest.

[wat0n]

So the only example of police acting against defenders of genocide is an inappropriate comment and an apology.

No need to do more if they're not breaking the law. Maybe anti-Zionists could abide by the law and stop harassing people (particularly Jews), trespassing and vandalizing property for a change.

Since that is the case, we can safely say the police are on the side of those defending the genocide.

The cops are simply enforcing the law.

There had been no police action against the "Israeli Apartheid Week" events being done on US and Canadian campuses since 2005, and university administrators would defend them despite the complaints by Zionists and Jews. The only difference is that now the left decided to be more violent than usual.

And a picture of a tweet does not constitute evidence.

Where and when did this assault take place? And note this is an act by an individual, and does not even show a violent protest.

Attacking with a taser is certainly violence.

It's not a picture but footage from the attack that happened at UCLA some days before the encampment was dissolved.

This attack against a counterprotester by an individual took during the protest, and he's acting with protester support. So much for defending freedom of speech.

[Pants-of-dog]

So it is agreed that the cops are only targeting one side, and the supposed reason is that all the protesters are Bad Guys.

The picture of the tweet does not show when and where this attack took place, nor is it a picture of a violent protest.

This seems like an attempt to take the actions of one person and use them to characterize all protesters as Bad Guys.

Is there an argument that does not involve pointing fingers and calling people Bad Guys?

[wat0n]

So it is agreed that the cops are only targeting one side, and the supposed reason is that all the protesters are Bad Guys.

We did not agree anything.

The picture of the tweet does not show when and where this attack took place, nor is it a picture of a violent protest.

It is not a picture, but an embedded tweet you can check anytime. And yes it has a date and mentions the location too.

This seems like an attempt to take the actions of one person and use them to characterize all protesters as Bad Guys.

Is there an argument that does not involve pointing fingers and calling people Bad Guys?

Have protesters disavowed this violence?

Did they hand the attacker to the police or at least tell him to go away?

[Pants-of-dog]

So no examples of violent protests and no examples of police action against Ziomists.

This weakens any claim that the police are acting in some even handed manner.

But it does support the idea that wealthy defenders of Zionism have used their economic leverage to advance their interests and stifle campus dissent.

[Rich]

True enough. Both sides would genocide each other if they could.

Not disagreeing with the underlying sentiment of your words, but I think a bit more nuance would be helpful. I think both sides just want the other side to leave. Most Palestinians and their hard line supporter just want the Jews of Israel to leave. I expect the overwhelming majority of Palestinians just want that. If the Jews of Israel left they would be happy to let bygones be bygones and move on from these unfortunate troubles.

Similarly most Jewish Israelis and their hard line supporters just want the Palestinians to leave. In fact most would probably be happy if the just the West Bank Arabs left. Then Gaza could go back to Egypt. Israel have to hang on to Gaza at the moment because they have to hang on to the pretense that there will be a Palestinian state. If the Arabs left the West Bank they would not have to keep up the pretense.

[wat0n]

So no examples of violent protests and no examples of police action against Ziomists.

This weakens any claim that the police are acting in some even handed manner.

Only if you insist on denying the evidence you don't like.

But it does support the idea that wealthy defenders of Zionism have used their economic leverage to advance their interests and stifle campus dissent.

And also if you keep ignoring how nobody cared about the yearly Israeli Apartheid Week nonsense. What changed, I wonder?

I'll also leave aside the obvious dog whistle implied in your statement.

[Pants-of-dog]

I have no feels about the evidence so far. It simply shows that police are not stopping violent Zionists and instead are apologizing for any inconvenience whatsoever.

[wat0n]

What violent Zionists? The ones at UCLA who left as soon as the cops showed up?

The ones who were retaliating against the violence used by the leftists?

If anything, this illustrates why police is necessary.

[Pants-of-dog]

The attack at UCLA was one where violent Zionists attacked a peaceful protest.

Have any of the attackers been arrested?

[wat0n]

It wasn't a peaceful protest.

It's not peaceful to taser counter protesters.

[Sherlock Holmes]

The zionist lobby has great power in the United States (and elsewhere but nothing like in the US) and here's an example of their latest efforts to impose their draconian jew supremacy beyond the borders of Israel:



Note that this is same man who openly and publicly suggested that all of the children in Gaza should be killed, these are the kinds of maniacs that we are dealing with at home as well as in Israel, utter barbarity.

[wat0n]

^ And it should concern you that there's net support for that.