It is very clear that Zionists executed men, women, children and medics in the hospitals. They've done it repeatedly. There are plenty of testimonies and most of all, this is typical Zionist savagery. wat0n denying it is typical Zionist savagery too. This week news came out of the head of orthopaedics Dr Adnan al-Birsh who was kidnapped and detained by Zionists since December 23rd, was one of at least 50 Palestinians now, who have been reported to be tortured to death in Israeli prisons. Zionists have kidnapped and killed many doctors in this manner and have done so previously during other wars. This is zionism.
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If reality hurts you so much, maybe step out of this thread because it's not an echo-chamer for Zionist fascists.
Ronnie Kasrils wrote:The 2017 Hamas charter, which remains current, clearly states that it is in conflict “with the zionist project not with the jews” and that it “rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds”. It correctly describes the zionist project as a “racist, aggressive, colonial and expansionist project based on seizing the properties of others” and correctly asserts the right of the victims of zionism to take up arms against their oppressors but does not, in any way, call for attacks on jewish people because they are jewish people.
The Hamas charter reveals the Palestinian struggle to be no different to the South African struggle that was waged against the abominations of the apartheid system and colonial dispossession of land – not against whites because they were white.
Palestinians have the same right to armed resistance as black South Africans had under apartheid, and as all oppressed people do. The 7 October raid penetrated the militarised Gaza border followed 16 years of the brutal Gaza siege and a history of oppression going back to 1967 – and, indeed, all the way back to 1947-48. Supporters of the oppressed will always rejoice in their achievements against the oppressor.
Those who wish to say that all celebration of military success is perverse are silent about the fact that the zionists of what was deemed a ‘jewish resistance movement’ celebrated foul atrocities committed in the founding of a state on land soaked with the blood and tears of its indigenous Palestinian population. They forget that the IDF and settler militias continuously celebrate their abhorrent undertakings growing more brutal by the day – as seen in the wild settler pogroms on the West Bank, in East Jerusalem as in the Gaza genocide.
The Palestinian struggle is not waged against zionism because zionists are jewish but against zionism because it is the imposition of a monstrous dispensation, which jews of conscience around the world oppose. Israel’s claim to the right of an oppressor to defend itself perpetuates a singularly inhumane dispensation in the form of land seizures, military occupation, settlement expansion, vandalism, violence, expulsion, massacres, surveillance, arbitrary checkpoints, illegal detention, more than 65 discriminatory laws against Palestinians within the 1948 borders, the apartheid wall and constant harassment, intimidation and humiliation.
As a jew who grew up in the 1940s, my blood chills at comparative images of Nazi behaviour.
Antisemitism is racism.
Zionism is racism.
The Israeli state is a structurally and viciously racist state.
Those who stand against racism, must simultaneously stand against antisemitism, zionism and the Israeli state.
https://thecommunists.org/2024/01/10/ne ... -struggle/
Legit resistance would have been Hamas attacking an Israeli military target, not murdering men, women, the elderly, and children in their homes, raping women and taking hostages.
Hamas did aim for military targets for the most part and of course taking hostage to exchange for thousands of their own. There remains no evidence of any rape on Oct 7 despite all the investigations and hoaxes. Also, the Israelis admitted they killed hundreds of their own on October 7 with airstrikes and tank shells. Israeli survivors have reported as much about the air strikes and Israeli tanks firing on the kibbutz, as well as the festival-goers saying the Israeli police were shooting out indiscriminantly.
And arguably, if you're going to be a settler on a land that places millions of natives at the border of your new home with no end in sight, you might want to think twice about living in peace while denying the people whose country to stole any.
Norman Finkelstein is correct. Oct 7 was a slave revolt. A prisoner revolt, to be more precise. I guess this is what happens when you keep millions of people in what Baruch Kimmerling referred to as "the largest concentration camp in the world" or what ex British prime minister and current imperialist pig, David Cameron, referred to as "a large prison camp".
Nice to know you're a terrorist piece of shit. At least you have the balls to admit it.
Nice try but history will absolve people like me and place fascists like you in the dustbins of history alongside nazis etc., The nerve of Zionists calling others terrorists
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You were saying?
I was saying that the AI baby the @Israel twitter page put up was bullshit and many called it out and you posting two links of two images doesn't prove anything except that you're incredibly weak in your "arguments", as is typical of Zionists because reality and truth is krytonite to your ilk.
So your big argument is that Horovitz is Israeli
I've pointed this out to you but because people on my side aren't compulsive liars, we can easily remember what the debate was. I pointed out your repeated use of sources such as the Israeli government or its mouthpieces like the Time of Israel being unreliable, about how the latter was a settler. You responded "there is no evidence of this" and I showed you otherwise. And then this is how you responded but that wasn't my argument. My argument was that you try to smear independent media while having sources like The Times of Israel or worse, the Israeli government, yet can present no evidence for it. And then when I ask for it repeatedly, you still don't provide it. You respond like this:
I already posted proof of how they worked for the Permanent Russian mission to the UN.
Should I post an example again? Fine
Your "example" is a report of Aaron Mate, an award winning journalist on the topic of the OPCW lies on chemical weapons use in Syria is not what you originally claimed. For one, you claimed Grayzone
editors are funded by the Kremlin, which you have presented no evidence for. And second, Aaron is not an editor at Grayzone, he is a contributer as your source says and he is speaking on a topic that he has done great investigative journalism on that won him journalist awards, so thanks for that reminder, but ultimately you get 0 for your original claim and have proven once more that you're a smear-merchant and liar when it comes to justice-minded Jews who work for independent media..
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My thoughts exactly.
At first, you were demanding victims to come forward and say they were raped.
Now you have those victims coming forward and you refuse to believe them. Why? Because you're a liar, and would never accept any testimony you don't like. Hence projection like:
How in the hell was this a response to Zionist hasbara/propandists lying constantly. Why even include the tweet? Also, there is no evidence of rape on October 7 so can you please take a different instruction from your Zionist masters who keep instructing you to go on about rape and cheapen it in that gross way that you repeatedly do. Zionists are liars when it comes to rape claims and that has been clear by the lack of evidence, the constant stories debunked and the straight up hoaxes. Here's more on that front in the most recent iteration of Zionists crying rape. I recommend you watch it so you know how we know what full of shit you are:
... Even though even UN reports find the claims aren't baseless, at all.
The Patten report got demolished already, in this thread, by someone who studied it very carefully:
Norman Finkelstein wrote:The paradox is the Pramilla Patten report ended up being the most compelling evidence that there wasn’t widespread rape and sexual violence on Oct 7.
Now you might be wondering how could that be? All the media were saying, here is the proof. We have the proof. We have the smoking gun, the Pramilla Patten report. But what did the Pramilla Patten report show?
Number one, they were supplied overwhelmingly with their evidence from the Israeli government. So you conclude, not just infer, you conclude Israel made its best case to them. Correct? What was Israel’s best case? They looked at not less than 5000 photographs, and they looked at 50 full hours of digital footage.
They told us, or Patten told us: the footage came from web cams, dash cams, CCTV, traffic monitors, which is to say, they looked at footage taken from every conceivable angle by every conceivable technological device, and you have to remember, that area was abutting Gaza, which means it must have been among the most heavily surveilled areas in all of Israel. And here’s the upshot, the kicker, they said in the report: they couldn’t find one single image or frame of sexual violence. Not one! And this was Israel’s best case!
Actually targeting civilians is always illegal.
Zionists really have some chutzpah with comments like these 7 months into a live streamed genocide.
You're a rape supporter because you have been supporting the October 7 massacre, which included rape.
No evidence for that, even according to your most recent hoax on the subject (the hostage that made the claim but who didn't say it happened on Oct 7)
If that was the case, there would not be cops telling Jews to avoid being Jewish in London. Tokenizing won't help you, at all.
They told an obvious agitator to stop agitating and used poor language to do so. One such case by a real life hasbara troll doesn't make London an unsafe place for Jews. When you play victim like this, you cheapen your own arguments since they're so absurd. But keep going so others can see what phonies your ilk are.
Right, now that Hamas got its ass kicked it wants to end war so it can survive and have another try, heh?
Hamas managed to stand its ground on its own territory despite being a guerilla org with no real army fighting the greatest power in the world through its Zionist colony...and pushing Zionist terrorists outside of their own territory after killing many that entered, including elites in the Golani brigades
. But if that's how you read "got its ass kicked", that's funny. Still, this is besides the point. The claim that it is the Palestinian resistance that are intransigent in negotiations in incorrect, it is, as usual, the Zionists.
Indeed, you have some other minor ones that accept their submission to Hamas. But the one calling the shots in Gaza is Hamas and even you know that.
Nonsense. You are entirely clueless as to what Hamas say despite them making their statements public. Try reading them and cease talking complete nonsense. They are so into forcing others to submit that they have offered Fatah a front role in ruling a Palestinian government while they take a back role.
And yet Hamas has no qualms about suppressing Christians and keeping them out of the public eye as Gazan Christians have themselves denounced several times in the past.
Making complete shite up is not an argument, but it is typical of you. And as for Palestinian Christians attacked, it is Zionists that do that, they don't discriminate against the Palestinians they attack and kill. My last post had me show footage of Zionist cops attacking Christian Greek orthodox celebrating some Easter holiday over the last few days. Palestinian Muslims and Christians and Jews have got on for millenia. The problem is supremacist Zionists who think they above all three within the former groups I mentioned.
But, this is a good reminder to share this clip where Tucker Carlson, of all people, speaks to a Palestinian Christian pastor and reports on Zionism's attacks on Christians in the holy land as well as others. Christians reading should watch it too.
One of the problems is undoubtedly Hamas, and you can tell by the fact that it rules Gaza as what it is i.e. an islamist dictatorship.
No, as I said:
The problem is not Hamas. Any groups leading Palestinians would be demonized. The problem is the Zionist settlers denying basic human rights to over 7 million Palestinians they occupy for the simple reason that they are not Jews. Don't get it twisted.And yet they can be perfectly be kept out of any governing role just as ISIS has.
Not sure how this is a response to what I said about how it is not just Hamas in the Palestinian resistance but many other groups including socialists, and that you can never kill the resistance. But since you mentioned ISIS, everyone in the antizionist world knows ISIS is a product of the West and useful to Western interests, such as their imperialist war in Syria. ISIS has never attacked Israel and that should tell anyone paying attention all they really need to know. Actually, my bad,
ISIS did once attack Israel but then apologised for accidentally attacking their own.
Free Palestine.