[Tainari88]

Listen to what this Jewish man says.

[Pants-of-dog]

Tim Hoffine, quality assurance and methods adviser on the United States Famine Early Warning Systems Network, known as FEWS NET, is the source for the claim that 30% of Gaza is at level 5 and 39% at level four of the IPC scale. This was disseminated in an NPR interview on March 22.

[wat0n]

There has been a material change since then, and in any event the March 18 assessment is clear in that it was a prediction based on the information available at the time.

[Pants-of-dog]

I am ignoring vague assertions.

The famine has arrived. The majority of people in Gaza are suffering acute food shortages. Many children are already dead. And Oxfam places the blame squarely at the feet of the IDF and Israeli government, and also points out that this failure on their part is a direct and clear violation of the interim measures of the ICJ.

No doubt Oxfam are Bad People who support the October 7 attack or some other ad hominem.

[wat0n]

So which is it? Has the famine started or it may start sometime in the future?

[Pants-of-dog]

Since the IDF and the Israeli government have clearly contravened the interim measures, any reasonable person would have to logically conclude that this is genocide.

[QatzelOk]

...Columbia has a student-exchange program with Israel for students who finish their compulsory training with the Israeli Defense Forces. It was some of these exchange students who attacked pro-Gaza demonstrators, spraying them with Skunk, a foul-smelling indelible Israeli army chemical weapon that marks demonstrators for subsequent arrest, torture or assassination. ...

Imagine having the IDF at your university right now. Wow. It would be like having American rednecks attending your university as they genocide the First Nations.

Then there is the innocent Zionist who tried to "cross the street" during a Pro-Palestinian march in London.

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-foo ... h-13120104

[wat0n]

Imagine having the IDF at your university right now. Wow. It would be like having American rednecks attending your university as they genocide the First Nations.

Then there is the innocent Zionist who tried to "cross the street" during a Pro-Palestinian march in London.

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-foo ... h-13120104

The Israeli student did not use skunk

And yes, London has become so unsafe for Jews - due to the behavior of leftists - that Jews need to walk with police escort. But we are supposed to believe antisemitism is not an issue in the left.

Since the IDF and the Israeli government have clearly contravened the interim measures, any reasonable person would have to logically conclude that this is genocide.

Except that it has not and the ICJ has not made any findings to that effect.

[Rich]

In the longer term, Israel will have to concede to some sort of just 2 state solution. It will happen... eventually.

No in the longer term the West Bank Arabs and probably the Gaza Arabs too, will be expelled or exterminated.

There is no two state solution. If you don't believe me, please try looking at the map. Start with northern Israel. Pre-67 this had a width at its narrowest of maybe 13 and a half kilometres. The control of the northern West Bank increases this to a still modest 62km or so. Jewish Israelis as a whole will never accept going back to a situation where the width is less than 60km. The bulk of the Arab Muslim population of the West Bank lives in the West of the West Bank. This means there is no meaningful attraction to compromise. Even if the Jews were to say maybe we could live long term with a width of 50km, it would bring no benefit as it would only negligibly reduce the number of Muslim Arabs that need to be absorbed, expelled or exterminated.

The Palestinian population will remain in bentustans until such time as the Jewish population is radicalised enough to implement the final solution to the Palestinian question. Currently the Jewish state is experimenting with extermination in Gaza It is seeing what it can get away with. What level of killing and for how long.

[Potemkin]

No in the longer term the West Bank Arabs and probably the Gaza Arabs too, will be expelled or exterminated.

There is no two state solution. If you don't believe me, please try looking at the map. Start with northern Israel. Pre-67 this had a width at its narrowest of maybe 13 and a half kilometres. The control of the northern West Bank increases this to a still modest 62km or so. Jewish Israelis as a whole will never accept going back to a situation where the width is less than 60km. The bulk of the Arab Muslim population of the West Bank lives in the West of the West Bank. This means there is no meaningful attraction to compromise. Even if the Jews were to say maybe we could live long term with a width of 50km, it would bring no benefit as it would only negligibly reduce the number of Muslim Arabs that need to be absorbed, expelled or exterminated.

The Palestinian population will remain in bentustans until such time as the Jewish population is radicalised enough to implement the final solution to the Palestinian question. Currently the Jewish state is experimenting with extermination in Gaza It is seeing what it can get away with. What level of killing and for how long.

This is how the nation-state of England was founded, it’s how the nation-state of the USA was founded, and it’s how nation-states in general are founded. Why should Israel be an exception? The Zionist project was always going to end in this place, just as the foundation of Jamestown was always going to end the way that it did. The Native Americans knew this, which is why they kept trying to wipe it out.

[Rancid]

No in the longer term the West Bank Arabs and probably the Gaza Arabs too, will be expelled or exterminated.

A very likely scenario, but not inevitable.

This is how the nation-state of England was founded, it’s how the nation-state of the USA was founded, and it’s how nation-states in general are founded. Why should Israel be an exception? The Zionist project was always going to end in this place, just as the foundation of Jamestown was always going to end the way that it did. The Native Americans knew this, which is why they kept trying to wipe it out.

The exception might be that we live in a world where founding a nation in this manner isn't considered acceptable anymore. History doesn't have to "repeat".

Or rather, we shouldn't fall into this fatalist view of "this is how it's always been, and thus, must always be". What are you, so sort of reactionary?

But yes, I understand your points.

[Potemkin]

The exception might be that we live in a world where founding a nation in this manner isn't considered acceptable anymore. History doesn't have to "repeat".

People always say, “We’ve changed; things will be different now!” But of course, we haven’t, and they won’t. By the late 19th century, Europeans thought that they had progressed past the stage of waging global wars, that another Napoleon could never arise again. How did that work out for them?

Or rather, we shouldn't fall into this fatalist view of "this is how it's always been, and thus, must always be". What are you, so sort of reactionary?

Albert Einstein once said that the definition of insanity was to do the same thing over and over again, and expect a different outcome each time. Being optimistic about human progress is all well and good, but let’s not allow it to become pathological.

But yes, I understand your points.

[wat0n]

No in the longer term the West Bank Arabs and probably the Gaza Arabs too, will be expelled or exterminated.

There is no two state solution. If you don't believe me, please try looking at the map. Start with northern Israel. Pre-67 this had a width at its narrowest of maybe 13 and a half kilometres. The control of the northern West Bank increases this to a still modest 62km or so. Jewish Israelis as a whole will never accept going back to a situation where the width is less than 60km. The bulk of the Arab Muslim population of the West Bank lives in the West of the West Bank. This means there is no meaningful attraction to compromise. Even if the Jews were to say maybe we could live long term with a width of 50km, it would bring no benefit as it would only negligibly reduce the number of Muslim Arabs that need to be absorbed, expelled or exterminated.

The Palestinian population will remain in bentustans until such time as the Jewish population is radicalised enough to implement the final solution to the Palestinian question. Currently the Jewish state is experimenting with extermination in Gaza It is seeing what it can get away with. What level of killing and for how long.

By this reasoning, the USSR would still exist.

And no, Israel is not "experimenting with extermination" anywhere. It's not like it could or would be stopped if it truly wanted to.

[Istanbuller]

Things will get better once Netanyahu is ousted. Israeli politics need to get rid of extremists.

Muslim and Jewish people can live in the same place with harmony and peace. Multi cultural society works fine in liberal democracy.

[wat0n]

Indeed, both Hamas and Netanyahu need to go.

[Pants-of-dog]

Things will get better once Netanyahu is ousted. Israeli politics need to get rid of extremists.

Netanyahu is a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. He is simply a man taking advantage of a structural power dynamic in the society in which he lives.

The problem of violent conflict will continue as long as settler colonialism is still in place.

Muslim and Jewish people can live in the same place with harmony and peace. Multi cultural society works fine in liberal democracy.

If you go to any anti-war protest, there will almost certainly be both Muslims and Jews in the protest.

And when we look at Canada, we see Muslims and Jews living together in harmony. However, Canada is also a setter colonial state like Israel, and like Israel, there is continued violence and conflict between the settler government and the Indigenous people living in Canada.

[wat0n]

Violence will continue as long as people like @Pants-of-dog believe mass rape is a form of legitimate resistance.

[Pants-of-dog]

12,300 youngsters have died in the enclave in the last four months, compared with 12,193 globally between 2019 and 2022.

https://turkiye.un.org/en/263401-gaza-n ... d-conflict

It turns out the IDF is the world's best at one thing.

[wat0n]

The October 7 massacre people like @Pants-of-dog believe is legitimate resistance featured quite a few children killed.

Since they were Jews, he has no problem with that.

[Unthinking Majority]

Netanyahu is a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. He is simply a man taking advantage of a structural power dynamic in the society in which he lives.

The problem of violent conflict will continue as long as settler colonialism is still in place.



If you go to any anti-war protest, there will almost certainly be both Muslims and Jews in the protest.

And when we look at Canada, we see Muslims and Jews living together in harmony. However, Canada is also a setter colonial state like Israel, and like Israel, there is continued violence and conflict between the settler government and the Indigenous people living in Canada.

Netanyahu is a product of Hamas. When you give Gazans back their land that they attacked you from in 1967, and they elect Hamas who then continually use Gaza to attack Israeli civilians for 20 years, its understandable that Israelis no longer feel as peace-loving as they did when giving back Gaza and searching for a 2-state solution because all it did was make extremists more powerful in their attempts to genocide you. And so Isrselis turned to extremists to defend them from the Gazan and West Bank extremists.

Hamas is a product of the fact that most Palestinians including virtually all of their leaders have never supported or accepted the existence of a Jewish state in the region in any form on any inch of land and reject any 2-state solution outright and always have, going back a century. You can't reason or negotiate with people who don't want you to exist even if you're indigenous to the area like Jews are.

The Arab militaries and jihadist groups have kept attacking the Jews/Israel for a century. At some point you probably get tired of people trying to genocide you and being unwilling to negotiate in good faith and finally just tell them to go f*ck themselves, which is where we're at with Netanyahu and West Bank settlements. Doesn't make it right but the Palestinians never seem to put any blame on their leaders and militias for their problems.