wat0n wrote:Even here, in PoFo you find people who support the attack. So can you among the leftist pro-Palestine protesters, including college students and academics... See the video I posted above for one such example.
This is easier said than done, though. Hamas and other actors could perfectly try to impede such civilian flight. It's a common tactic among these groups, when the US and Iraq fought ISIS to end its rule over Mosul ISIS would shoot at civilians trying to flee. Other times, some ISIS fighters would dress as civilians and then set off a suicide vest...
Hate begets more hate indeed, and this runs both ways. If the Israelis have turned right wing, it is to a great deal due to the attacks against civilians by groups like Hamas.
In the end, though, one cannot really expect both to love each other anytime soon. But one can make sure they stop killing each other, and the way to do that is for the international community to intervene directly by sending peacekeepers to Gaza after the war. So Gaza won't be governed by the dictatorial Hamas anymore, and the violence stops. If this shows to be effective, then Israel can and should be both persuaded and pressured to extend this arrangement to the West Bank as part of a peace agreement.
This obviously requires both ending Hamas' rule over Gaza and replacing the right wing coalition that rules Israel. Most Israeli polls suggest the latter will happen if the next elections were done today, and with it Netanyahu will likely go to jail because he's also quite corrupt (took bribes).
Who supports taking hostages and killing people? It makes no sense.
Now, again human rights. You got to do it. Equality. You got to do it.
Netanyahu was the wrong leader at the wrong time and took the wrong actions.
Hamas if you dig deep? It was all developed because Israel wanted to radicalize that group. And they stepped into the power vacuum. It shows you do not manipulate another group's internal politics to try to destabilize it. Hillary R. Clinton did that with the mujahideen in Afghanistan. They created and supplied well the Taliban that later created issues for them when they wanted to capture Osama Bin Laden. They shot themselves in the foot with the anti Soviet crap undermining. That is what happens with a lack of ethics for sure.
None of this shit happens in politics if you govern ETHICALLY.
I really think that in the future international law organizations are going to have increasingly more authority and power and it has to be against superpowers and everyone having to pick sides and get stuck with a sandwich problem. IF the vast majority of small nations stick together and back each other up? The 120 nations or more that create a strong and consistent coalition among themselves will be a great force to be reckoned with.
Which nations produce a lot of chocolate? Ghana and the Ivory Coast. Among others like Peru, Brazil, Colombia, Ecuador, etc. If they stick together and take on the big chocolate giants like Ferrero Rocher, and Mars, and Hershey's, they can stop the transfer of wealth to the companies and no real wealth to the nations who produce the goods.
But it is about a lot of organizing and doing. Just like all great politics are about that.
There are solutions. What breaks down is abusive nations and governments who are very powerful actors and use that to abuse everyone else. But there are ways of combating it all.
The killing in this Israel-Palestine war has to end. It is totally immoral, and unethical and inhumane and horrible. Got to have human rights for the Palestinians. The Israelis have rights for Israel. But they do not apply it in equal measure to the Palestinians. They have to do that. @Saeko is right about that.
Ethical Jewish people also know that is the way. Like Naomi Klein and others. Equality brings justice.