Godstud wrote:@Tainari88 I think it is you who fails to understand that if you constantly break the laws in ANY country, that it makes you a criminal. Were I to stay in Thailand, without permission, it would make me a criminal in Thailand. The same applies to ANY country where a person requires permission from the country, to reside there.
The rest of your argument is pretty irrelevant, and simply an attempt to excuse criminal behavior.
I am looking at the cold realities of what is going on in the Southern border. Thousands of people and even maybe millions of people are leaving countries in crisis. Mainly Venezuela, Honduras, Guatemala, Haiti, Cuba, and others. Why? It is a problem. What do you do about controlling a surge of a quarter of a million people forcing their way into a nation? Are they all criminals? Most of them are poverty people with no hope. They are willing to literally maybe die in a journey fraught with obstacles. Why? That worries me.
The idea that people are willing to walk, hitchhike on trains, and buses and so on for thousands of miles without real possibilities of knowing what can happen is a statement. They are communicating Godstud.
And by the way, you had advantages in order to get accepted into Thailand didn't you?
Yes or no? Were you some refugee from Bangladesh with zero cash and nothing and thinking the Thai government is gonna help you?
I am not thinking about your circumstances Godstud. I am thinking about the circumstances of MOBS of people getting upset because they have no hope. No hope. If they had hope in their nations of origin they would not be going to Chile, to Peru, to Colombia, to Mexico and to every nation that had slightly better employment prospects than where they are from.
They are criminals. What are you going to do about 11 million undocumented people and thousands of people pushing through to go to the USA without permission. You got to detain them, and document them and then send them back. Or if they are claiming asylum they need to see judges and get that done. The other alternative is having Mexico take them all in and deal with it without having budgets for deportation in the millions. If the US does not have a budget for it? Then how is Mexico supposed to find the funds?
The crisis needs to be addressed. The Mexican president says billions need to be spent on reliable ways of spending money to stabilize the economies of the countries that are sending millions of their people out of the country due to total collapse or disfunctional economics and or law and order breakdowns.
Be realistic. Do you want to put kids in cages, and shoot them in the head because they are criminals without trial or process Godstud? Because they are criminals? Are teens criminals? Children? Women and men who do not have a job and force their way in?
I do my part in Mexico. I tell them it is a fucking pipe dream and not worth it. You have no idea how difficult it is to adapt to a society that you have no real skills to deal well in that society. You will run into law problems, economic issues, exploitation by employer issues and problems. Period. Do not do it. Stay in your own society, vote, and advocate for action through legal means and be organized and laser focused on getting your own government to respond or OUST them from office.
But running to the USA with zero skills is a big risk. That is what I tell them.
Now, if you want to see them as criminals and have the USA government spend Billions upon Billions of dollars trying to process them forever and then have every Latin American looking person searched and treated like an illegal alien because the government is paranoid? Go ahead.
The reality is this has consequences in the real world.
The US either starts working hard on its broken immigration system or it will face more millions running in there. Why? Because Latin America lives in deep poverty and all of the Americans and Canadians live near each other....and unless they know how to work cooperatively so that all nations economy are stable and have no need for mass immigration exoduses of the worst sort? This can be prevented.
If there is the closed attitude of criminals. Losers. Law breakers....that is it.
Frankly unless you speak fluent Thai and speak well by now fluent Thai and know the culture in and out and all around? The reality is you are not a poor refugee Godstud in Thailand or the USA. You never were. Did not have to be. They do have to be. Never got out of the hole there. That is what I am analyzing. Reality. Not what you think the world is about. But what is actually the reality. People are desperate and fleeing bad economies, bad governance and dysfunctional societies. How to cope? It won't be a quick fix. You can shoot people in the head with their children next to them and get a quick solution? Is that the way to cope? No.
Fix the broken economics is the fastest way to deal with it and speed up the immigration process for the people who legitimately have a real case. And process the ones who do not. It is going to require MONEY and Mexico is not going to pay for the wall or the other dumb shit that Trump proposes.