Tainari88 wrote:You just said you want 4 more years of Trump.
Not really. She's a socialist, and Biden is a pro-war, prison-industrial-complex establishment stooge.
MistyTiger wrote:If Trump wins, there will be cries of Russian interference AGAIN. Do we really want that?
I don't think anyone believes the Russian narrative. Democrats just can't accept that the country just isn't into their "woke" narrative, while ignoring the plight of the working classes.
MistyTiger wrote:Biden is the the lesser of all incompetents in a crowd of incompetents.
Biden has a 47 year track record. It's not hard to figure out what Biden is all about.
Local Localist wrote:The Democratic establishment have been determined to block Sanders and co all the way, no matter how bad their own candidate is.
That is their number 1 problem: AOC and company are the face of the future of the Democratic party, and Biden, Schumer and Pelosi are utterly opposed to them.
Wokeness/PC, whatever you want to call it, is not selling with the American people anymore. However, the Democrats are highly factional and it is not easy to turn that battleship around. Some of this is by design, though. They had 4 years to address illegal immigration and trade, and chose to double down on Russiagate, etc.
B0ycey wrote:Although if people don't back Biden and split the vote, that would be an advantage for Trump.
There is no enthusiasm for Biden. Even Biden isn't enthusiastic about his campaign. Many who voted for Sanders will NOT vote for Biden.
B0ycey wrote:Sure Biden is crap, but he isn't Trump.
But he's part of Obama/Bush/Clinton/Bush. He's part of the war machine. He's part of the prison industrial complex. He's part of offshoring jobs. He's part of illegal immigration. On a policy basis, he's done nothing to bring working class white voters back into the Democrat fold. He's openly promised a green new deal, to end fracking, coal, etc. That automatically puts states like Pennsylvania in play.
Local Localist wrote:Because she was so blatantly a product of the Democratic establishment, pushed into everyone's faces when they didn't ask for it.
That's exactly what they did. I think Biden is a throwaway candidate, like Bob Dole was. Basically, he's too old to lead, or to understand the political climate today.
B0ycey wrote:Sure, but back then people just wanted to vote against the establishment because they wanted change and Trump was making the right noises and Clinton was shillings thinking she couldn't lose. But let's be clear. A Trump victory was a fucking shock last time but there was still a path if the undecided back him in key states.
They were literally saying that Trump had no path to 270 on election night on television. They couldn't believe that the so-called "blue wall" collapsed. Minneosota is in play this time, and the last time they voted for a Republican for president was Nixon in 1972.
Tainari88 wrote:You need to motivate those Bernie socialists FAST to vote for Biden but you won't do it not committing to working class agendas Late. It won't happen.
See, and that's where Trump has street cred. He's actually done it. He actually got wages going up and unemployment going down for working class people. Democrats chose not to talk about it, and focus on contrived scandals instead.
Tainari88 wrote:due to that nightmare Capitalist conman in the white house...
That's where you are wrong. The reason for working class desire for more equity was the establishment's post Cold War planning of unfettered global capitalism, and it's not just unpopular among working people in the US. It's the backbone of Gilets Jaunes in France, AfD in Germany, Brexit in the UK, Lega in Italy, and so forth.
Tainari88 wrote:I hope he doesn't win Rancid--but if you can't even update some basic organizing tool kit with millions of bucks and you have no plan on how to get people to put some energy behind a political campaign when Trump is talking about rolling back the payroll tax and that means no social security checks and so on for all these old people, and no funds for anything and total blood and chaos and you don't take that shit seriously enough to go and do some real organizing and hardball political fight?
Cutting the payroll tax doesn't mean that Social Security checks won't go out. It just means a bigger budget deficit.
Wat0n wrote:Do people really believe Bernie would stand a better chance against Trump?
I don't think so, but he would have very real enthusiasm, for which Biden has none. A failed Bernie Sanders campaign would put real fear into the heart of the establishment, which is what needs to happen. That's why Biden was the only Democrat I was really opposed to. If I wasn't independent, I would have voted Bernie in the California primary just to make sure the establishment didn't get to hand pick their candidates.
"We have put together the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics."
-- Joe Biden