- 28 Nov 2018 19:04
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But I defined what the proletariat was, very specifically, Obviously business owners and the petite bourgeois are not that.
So you agree that the white working class (that don't own the means of production, obviously) are part of the proletariat then?
Good.
That makes you an orthodox Marxist.
How would they answer the question I asked you? That would tell me, for the most part. But I would likely have to ask them some other questions as well.
"It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals... is incompatible with freedom."
- Patrick Henry
Pants-of-dog wrote:I once worked with a plumber who owned his own business, and also had real estate and corporate investments.
Considering the fact that he owned the means of production and made money off the work of others without doing any work himself, he was definitely one of the bourgeoisie and not a proletariat. Plumbers are considered working class, though.
At the same time, I also worked with many other people in construction who owned only their tools and, if they were lucky, a car.
So, the answer to your question is: it depends. Sometimes white working class people are part of an oppressed proletariat, and sometimes they are not.
But I defined what the proletariat was, very specifically, Obviously business owners and the petite bourgeois are not that.
So you agree that the white working class (that don't own the means of production, obviously) are part of the proletariat then?
Good.
That makes you an orthodox Marxist.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Now, are the EZLN “orthodox” Marxists or “cultural Marxists”?
How would they answer the question I asked you? That would tell me, for the most part. But I would likely have to ask them some other questions as well.
"It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals... is incompatible with freedom."
- Patrick Henry