- 06 Jan 2015 04:05
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Several more questions:
1) Is socialism the same thing as the dictatorship of the proletariat, or is it the stage just after the dictatorship of the proletariat? The way I always understood the terms was that the dictatorship of the proletariat is when workers take control of the state and run it in the interests of the proletarian class. The state takes control of the means of production and then builds socialism by slowly handing over the means of production to the workers.
2) You said that the Supreme Soviet is a central organ that binds us all together while we are still at war with the capitalists. What capitalists? I thought you said earlier that "socialism is presumed to be global and peaceful", and since private property is abolished (which is the whole point of this argument) and the Supreme Soviet is a global state, then how can there possibly still be any capitalists left to war with?
That's just word games. A sacrifice is not undertaken because the idea of it gives you a buzz, you do it because you have to, despite the fact that it will probably involve suffering or the loss of your own life or something else you care about.
Dagoth Ur wrote:Gonna stop you here and point out the difference between communism and socialism. Socialism is a Proletarian Dictatorship (ie a state).
I don't agree that direct democracy is a workable premise outside of local affairs.
The Supreme Soviet is made of of representatives from local soviets (all recallable), who meet to discuss and vote on issues that effect several Soviets. There needs to be some central organ that is capable of binding us together while we are still at war with the capitalists.
The local soviets would ideally do most of the heavy lifting in the decision making process. The less stable the socialist state the less ideal the circumstances obviously.
Several more questions:
1) Is socialism the same thing as the dictatorship of the proletariat, or is it the stage just after the dictatorship of the proletariat? The way I always understood the terms was that the dictatorship of the proletariat is when workers take control of the state and run it in the interests of the proletarian class. The state takes control of the means of production and then builds socialism by slowly handing over the means of production to the workers.
2) You said that the Supreme Soviet is a central organ that binds us all together while we are still at war with the capitalists. What capitalists? I thought you said earlier that "socialism is presumed to be global and peaceful", and since private property is abolished (which is the whole point of this argument) and the Supreme Soviet is a global state, then how can there possibly still be any capitalists left to war with?
How is giving your life for something you care about not a vain reward? Dying for the nation, dying for the cause, dying for your family. Even talking about them gets people excited.
That's just word games. A sacrifice is not undertaken because the idea of it gives you a buzz, you do it because you have to, despite the fact that it will probably involve suffering or the loss of your own life or something else you care about.