Zamuel wrote:Yeah, Ok, I'm just a naturally economic person ...
Thanks, a lot less painful to dissect
Zamuel wrote:Ok, but it doesn't do this by itself. Muslin Intolerance perpetuates that misery ...
I was speaking about more than just Zionist policies. It's not just the Zionist imposition it's all the impositions. There's barely a side from which the Muslims are not under assault.
Zamuel wrote:once again 2 wrongs will not make a right.
How exactly were Palestinians ever wrong? For not letting someone mass illegally immigrate into their country to saturate their population and force them out into refugee camps? Was this their "wrong"?
Zamuel wrote:Unrealistic demands based on long past mistakes resolve nothing. If Muslim intransigence blocks progress, what is left but to repeat the past?
But it's not just the past, it exists right now, as we speak, Palestinians everywhere are continually suffering the Zionist imposition.
Zamuel wrote:True, but no-one cut his head off or burned him alive. The American system failed to prevent this injustice but is correcting it. Can you say the same for the Muslims system?)
Plenty have died or been permanently maimed from the U.S's torture.
Zamuel wrote:Well, there sure aren't as many Americans in Humvees running around Iraq these days. And the terrorist do seem to be keeping their heads down and staying inside a lot.
They couldn't maintain it forever. And the "terrorists" now control about half the country, doesn't sound like they're keeping their heads down at all, unless of course you mean putting their heads down and getting to work taking over the country?
Zamuel wrote:I won't kid you that America is not acting in it's own best interest, of course we are ...
And I don't expect her to act out of altruism. What I do expect though is that she be honest with her people and tell them what the real cost of their endeavours in other peoples' homes are.
Zamuel wrote:Anyone who expects that to change as NUTS as those who think Israel is going to cease to exist.
Or as nuts as anyone who thought the Crusader state would come to an end after 99 years of rule over Jerusalem. The Zionist entity is like an oil rig in the middle of the ocean. Yes it stands, but as soon as it stops being maintained from the shores, it will begin to be swept away by the oceans that surround it. The Zionists are surrounded by an ocean of Arabs and beyond them an ocean of Muslims, they cannot survive without external maintenance, and that will one day be too costly to continue.
Zamuel wrote:If that means Assad stepping down in Syria ... We can probably accommodate that, If it means establishing a protectorate where Sunnis can live free from fear of Shia death squads, we can accommodate that. But we're on a two way street here, we need some accommodation too. "Death to America" ain't gonna cut it ... Does this seem so unreasonable ?
The US doesn't actually want Assad to step down, this is abundantly clear, despite the rhetoric. Anyway we are certainly capable of bringing him down, so please keep out. Neither do we want any protectorates, thanks, but no thanks.
Zamuel wrote:Here you loose me ... What harshness? Americans took no part in repressing Sunnis ... The only people we have treated "Harshly" are terrorists and extremists.
Roughly 100 of IS's top leadership were all interned in U.S torture camps. Prior to the U.S invasion there was no Islamist movement really in Iraq, the country was fairly secular. Even Baghdadi was himself a small time Qur'an teacher in his local mosque before the U.S arrived, the treatment the people suffered is what pushed them to where they are today. If you can't see that you are living in a fantasy land.
Zamuel wrote:And again, if we were harsh, we still weren't cutting heads off and burning people alive.
Try telling that to the *1* single surviving member of Abeer al-Janabi's family. She was raped and her entire family burned alive with her, and it was blamed on so called Sunni insurgents, luckily the truth came out and we found out which monsters actually committed this horrific crime. I'm guessing Abu Ghraib is not in your memory either? Camp Bucca etc.
Zamuel wrote:No doubt innocents have suffered ... but honestly, the safeguards practiced by the American military are extensive and -usually- effective.
Yes very effective.
Zamuel wrote:No, not simple ... We even begin to slow down our involvement and EVRYONE starts screaming about how we are shirking our responsibility,
This is what you use to convince yourselves that you need to invade other people's countries, I assure you it's not the case.
Zamuel wrote:then opportunists like Russia and China start moving in ... And once they get rolling Muslims will be screaming for our help again. Ruski Xopowo, learn that phrase ... it may help.
Let them try.