Wow, interesting conversation guys.
First let me be clear. Some of you:
layman wrote:What does "support" mean? ......
among others argued that "it is not 'our' responsibility to fix the world governments if they are corrupt. Why cant the people over there change their own governments?"
I have to admit, there is some truth to that argument. I feel like a lot of people here- speaking of Saudi Arabia at least- don't really want a "good" government. Or if they want anything other than what we already have, they probably want something that is equally bad or maybe even worse. (Don't ask me why, it is a long discussion for later.)
On the other hand:
Frollein wrote:Does that mean that Germany should stop selling weapons to Saudia Arabia (by your definition, they are "bad guys", because they are surely fucking up living conditions in Yemen right now)? But then Saudia Arabia would buy weapons from Russia or (gasp!) France! We can't have that! If they have to buy weapons, they should buy German weapons.
Why should you guys sell "weapons" to Saudi Arabia? Why not flowers or Q-tips? You see, Q-tips don't hurt anyone.
But when Iron Ant says:
Iron Ant wrote:The most productive societies are made of happy people, and they are happy because their own individual needs are being seen to.
A society that gives nothing to the individual and only takes from the individual, is nothing more than a tyranny, and quite possibly a form of vampirism, sucking us all dry.
I place more importance on the individual rather than the collective...
I don't know, I kinda agree with his philosophy.
But I am interested in what Rich means when he says:
Rich wrote:The problem is we constantly have to struggle against both demented Socialism and demented Libertarianism.....
This is why I really don't see much difference between socialists and libertarians.
How are they alike Rich? Consider me an ignorant, how is Libertarianims like Socialism?
Zamuel wrote:What you are envisioning is known as a Utopia...
Interesting. I'll have to take a look at those articles.
Kaiserschmarrn wrote:..... you'd need to be more specific to get useful replies.
You're right, I cant just pretend all world problems are cause by The West as if it is controlled by some formal Illuminati. (Or is it
)
This kind of thinking is unhelpful and doesn't really help improve anything or anyone.