- 09 Feb 2012 03:38
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Why do conservatives seem to think that they're the only ones paying taxes?
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As for the far right I speak of I am sure you would know it, considering you have a quote by Rousas Rushdoony in your sig. I would say he is far right.
Why do conservatives seem to think that they're the only ones paying taxes?
Drlee wrote:Of course he would. There is plenty of room for smart people to succeed and do it big.
nucklepunche wrote:A modern Mark Zuckerberg wouldn't stand the slightest chance to succeed. Oh wait, Mark Zuckerberg is modern.Thats exactly the newly forming market I was talking about. And personally I strongly hope this crap called "social networking" will vanish into nothingness again. Why exactly do people seriously believe its a good idea to give a privately owned company all this information about yourself ? As I am a programmer and very conscious about security, specifically computer security, I would never agree to that.
Blue Puppy wrote:[...] According to liberals, luck of birth does not make someone deserve to be in the 1% of 1%. Only personal achievements, like what Steve Jobs did, can make someone deserve such a thing. [...]I dont get your statement. I explained exactly why Jobs had the luck of being there at the right time. You just ignore my argument completely and suddenly talk about "riddiculous and very petty". That makes no sense whatsoever to me.
Sure, part of it is luck. He was an orphan building circuit boards in his adoptive parent's garage, and I'm sure that luck factored into it somehow. But to suggest that luck of birth is equivalent to what someone like him accomplished is ridiculous and frankly also very petty.
Drlee wrote:[...] I would maintain that there are very few Americans of any political flavor who believe wealth is something that can be deserved at all.Everyone deserves a modest wealth. Really everyone on the globe. Those who work harder deserve some more of it, in a fair amount. As long as its really their own work and not exploiting someone elses.
There are some very few conservatives who believe that there should be no welfare system at all and very few liberals who do not believe that we should have one but at the end of the day there are very few Americans who do not believe in a robust government safety net. The assertion that these universal differences between those who identify as liberal and those who identify as conservative are mostly a popular fiction.
nucklepunche wrote:[...] We have a center-left party and a center-right party in this country. There are extremes on the left and the right that need to be kept in check which is why I think having a two party system is important. The problem is the Republican Party has in the past few years become less and less of a center-right party and more and more of a far right party. That is not healthy. We need a two party system in this country but we need a two sane party system. [...]IMHO a country which has a majority vote system, and thus really only has two alternatives when you vote, is a very poor democracy, as the voter really doesnt have much choice.
nucklepunche wrote:[...] I don't really mind Michigan's Republican governor Rick Snyder because he has tried a more moderate path and avoided the extremes of Scott Walker and John Kasich which many rank and file Republicans want. He understands that you will make no progress unless you can reach across the aisle. [...]I dont think that actually is of any importance. In the end what will matter in political parties is always the logic of power. No matter what politicians tell you and I'm not saying they're lying - but, for example, no republican will help Obama with his social state reform, simply because in the history books, it would be Obamas archievement.
rik wrote:why do Liberals hate the rich so much?
Liberals point to the millions that I make. But never a word about how that money actually helps society.
I don't know of one wealthy person who keeps his money under his pillow, or in his basement.
If I gave away all my millions today, and became like you, would that change America? The answer is no. Therefore, you need me to be wealthy, so I can keep paying your welfare.
I live in a mansion, where...
I have house help
Gardeners
security people
a driver
a pool person
a personal trainer
an accountant to do my taxes
I live in a mansion, where...
I have house help
Gardeners
security people
a driver
a pool person
a personal trainer
an accountant to do my taxes
rik wrote:why do Liberals hate the rich so much?
I am the make believe millionaire Liberals hate so much.
Liberals point to the millions that I make. But never a word about how that money actually helps society.
I don't know of one wealthy person who keeps his money under his pillow, or in his basement.
I am now going to set the stage for my logical argument with some upfront facts...
If I gave away all my millions today, and became like you, would that change America? The answer is no. Therefore, you need me to be wealthy, so I can keep paying your welfare.
OK, now I'm confused. You want me to remain rich so your welfare check continues to come in. But at the same time, you keep criticizing me for being rich?
Let's look at how I spend my millions.
I live in a mansion, where...
I have house help
Gardeners
security people
a driver
a pool person
a personal trainer
an accountant to do my taxes
So, here I am, a multi-millionaire, providing jobs for a dozen+ people.
What do you have against me creating jobs for people? At the end of the day, only the rich can employ people. I don't remember ever working for a broke person before, do you?
Furthermore,
I pay Hefty property taxes. More income for the government.
I own an expensive home theater system, with expensive 108 inch TV. This big spending helps the economy, and provides work for home automation people. Have you ever hired home automation people? Very unlikely. So but for me keeping them in business, they won't have a job.
I put money into the economy by purchasing expensive cars. I pay a disproportionate amount to register my Bentley, and Aston martins, which tear up the road the same as your Ford F-150. In other words, without me to shoulder the larger bill of road maintenance, you would be paying more to register your Ford F-150. But do you thank me for keeping money in your pocket? No. All I get is disdain.
I pay way more to get my Bentley serviced, washed, etc. Thus, I keep mechanics employed.
I stay at expensive hotel suites. This pumps money back into the economy. Without me, only motel 6 would exist.
Liberals love their iPhones, but hate the process that led to it's creation. Poor people don't make iphones.
I have the premium package for cable/satellite TV. This keeps TV companies in business. What do you have against me keeping the cable companies in business?
My private jet is parked in a hanger at the airport. This service costs me hundreds of thousands of Dollars annually. This is money going to fund the government. What do you have against me funding the government? Remember, that is where your welfare checks come from.
Furthermore, what do you have against me keeping airplane manufacturers in business?
I keep the rest of my money in banks. This helps make sure that there is money available when you want to borrow money. I'm also keeping bank employees employed, and keeping the building owner rich.
I fall in the top 1% or taxpayers, and I pay 42% of all the income tax collected by the government. Without me paying these huge taxes, how would you collect your welfare check? You can't. Seems to me you're biting the hand that feeds you.
Perhaps the most important point of all, is that wealthy Liberals like Pelosi, Obama, Al Gore, Soros, John Kerry, Oprah, have yet to give their money away to charity. If you Liberals really believe in wealth re-distribution, what better way to convince me than to show me?
At the end of the day, "wealthy Liberal" should be an oxymoron. Therefore, wealthy Liberals are all hypocrites.
Poor Liberals are hypocrites too, since I haven't heard any of you criticize the wealth of your rich counterparts. How come they haven't given their wealth away to help the poor like they preach?
The following are indisputable facts...
We cannot all be rich. True.
We can all be poor. True.
Only the rich can create jobs. True.
That means the only way for all of us to be equal like Liberals want, is if we all became poor. Everybody was equally poor in Communist Russia. They all were miserable because of it.
So, essentially by wanting to get rid of rich people, Liberals want all Americans to be poor equally. Why?
Doug64 wrote:Liberals don't hate rich people, they just need bucketfuls of cash to fund their entitlement programs. So they have to demonize them so people will accept looting the rich's bank accounts as a right and good thing to do.
If everything the TP guys say is true then I'd like to see a big shot CEO put on a street corner with a cardboard sign and no help from daddy. I'd like to see how long one of these pinky ring softies would last when they really were on their own. They make a lot of big talk about lifting one self by his own efforts. OK go prove it buddy. Live like Jesus for a while and show me how it's done when the system is rigged against you.
Eran wrote:Generalisations and physical caricatures is characteristic of group-hate such as racism, Anti-semitism and homophobia. Those are no longer considered acceptable in today's society. But the demonisation of economically-successful individuals still is.
It is not in any way comparable to racism or homophobia, which are perpetuated by the ruling elite as a form of divide and rule.
Eran wrote:Having identified the political class as the true "ruling elite", it is very easy to see why rich-o-phobia (does anybody know of a properly classic-sounding name? plutophobia perhaps?) is a form of "divide and rule". After all, what better policy available to government officials than to find a convenient scape-goat on which to blame society's ills?
TruePolitics wrote:Why do conservatives seem to think that they're the only ones paying taxes?
@Pants-of-dog could actually explain 1) who's th[…]