Keep yourself repeating them just to prove what kind of troll you are.
The only troll in here is you for keeping on your personal attacks without even daring to address the questions of the discussion. You are a Turco similar to your compatriots, and you have failed in every single thread you have been confronted, be it Cyprus, be it Genocide, Pontos, Imvros, whatever...a living failure and an advocate and lawyer of murderers.
What assumptions, you wrote yourself that I was disrespecting the name ellas. Besides you kept nagging for a word that has meaning in English and you imagine as more approapiate
You are even incompatible with simple logic.
My offer to you was purely symbolic in order to save you from exterme ridiculation and humiliation. You rejected it and the rest is History. Now as a good girl, sit back relax and enjoy the ride. Its gonna be a long one.
What murderer, he crashed into another plane by his own error, it is called an accident.
If you read anything that is posted, and had the slightest will to logic, you wouldnt be arguing in favor of the murderers, but as illustrated already, you are incapable of.
You are not even capable of apprehending what is written, read.
Yes you did claim Kemal killed himself:
I think that the Turks in general have much more to feel pride about their Ottoman past than their Kemalist present, in more or less every aspect, both in the nationalistic domain as a Power to be reckoned but also as a government that made use of its resources(Ellines, Jews), rather than kill them at sight(Kemal)
You seriously believe that you are even able to prove the slightest of a point?
It is more than obvious that the Kemalist mentality is responsible for the Crimes because they all begun when this ideology begun. Would you like me to post the relative dates, as well?
I think you are evee smart to find them yourself.
However, i dont give a crap for minor points, i do not. I give a crap for the major points, which is the obvious denial of the crimes and celebration of the criminals, when you finally manage to accept them, then we can move on onto analysing the Kemalist mentality regime. Do not worry Turco, all in time, the test you have gone through has failed.
You have already fallen into a circular oblivion by trolling here phrasing the words deny over and over.
At least my parroting is in regards to something noble, the blood of my ancestors, your parroting, serves nothing. It is useless and unworthy.
When you act like a troll by resorting to compulsive accusations, the only thing you will get is vomit.
So, no reply, nothing, personal attacks is your only weapon left, isnt it? In this thread i made the mistake to lose my temper with your compatriots brilliant arguments, but dont worry this is the last time i give you space to manouvre.
What propaganda, the only propaganda is in your head, with your compulsive behaviour that proves nothign but the synchronisation on the collective conscieseness of bigotry and hate towards Turkey.
I will tell you for the last time. In here i am the only one that has made a move towards you people, my country has taken positive steps towards the fixing of hate-producing History, and that is evident since all the articles you have brought in here are all greek to make your point, and on the contrary to pursue the same denialism your Turkish society has taught and imprinted in your brain.
You can go on with your personal attacks, they only go to show your level of literacy.
And where is Ionia, it is in western Anatolia which is Turkish. Republic of Greece has nothing to do with Greek culture in Anatolia. The Greek national citizens who are from Anatolia are related, but not Greece. Republic of Greece has nothing to do with Anatolia. It is nothing but a fascist idea of your collective conscience, a remnant of the Megali Idea. If you want peace, let it go in your mind. Then you will be free and Greece will be in free and at peace with her neighbours.
WTF? Are you talking about, missie?
Wtf? The Greek culutre of anatolia belongs to the Greeks that produced it, not to the land and not to any Turco like yourselves. You have nothing to do with the Greeks of Anatolia, and on the contrary i have everything to do with them. I AM Them. And Anatolia is the term we the Yunanis(Ionians) gave to the Place. You can fool yourself that you are part of us, you simply prove the ultimate usuraption of our culture in order to uplift your existences in this sad country of yours.
And i am in Greece, because your destructive government ethnically cleansed us. All the Anatolian Culture belongs to US, because we produced it, its History is ours because we produced it, you are nothing but the ones who destroyed this culture and deleted its presense in the lands you conguered by force.
The "Megali idea" is your wild card up in the air when you have nothing to say? Foul assumptions are more than laughable, and continue to verify the intellectual bankrupcy.
These are not enough, missie, get it through your head.
If you wanted to have the anatolian culture piece of the pie you should have had integrated the producers of it, into your society, and verily claim its History, on the contrary you did exactly the opposite.
Who killed what, they were exchanged with the Turkish/muslim citizens in Greece.
I think i ought to refresh your memory:
The persecutions, massacres, expulsions, and death marches of the Asia Minor Greeks were renewed during the early 20th century by the Young Turk administration of the Ottoman Empire and during the subsequent revolution of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. The Pontic Greek population was the most severely affected; its misfortunes became known as the Pontic Greek Genocide.
The conditions of their expulsion and relocation were worsened by the fact that the vast majority of the refugees were women and children (aged under 15), since the male population was not allowed to leave Turkey, and was subjected to labour battalions. According to the statistics, 60%-73% of the refugees were women and children, while men constituted only the 30%, with 12% being incapable for work. In addition, the 1/3 of the refugee families did not have a surviving male member.
LINKNo I cant learn you anything because you because your mind is not capable of absorbing anything that contradicts the fact your conscience is based on bigotry and hate. You do nothing but repeat like a broken record just to show how hateful your mind has become.
My mind is my problem alone, not yours, you take care of your mind, and i will take care of mine.
If your excuse for continuing your denialist mentality is because the facts are coming from a bigot, then you are nothing but a bigot and a denialist.
I suggest you to read the facts and sources posted instead of reading what does not matter in none of the points raised.
You can keep on playing this game of yours, that i am the worst individual on the planet. I do not give a shit, your attacks are meaningless, completetly and they only verify tragecilaly the point of this discussion, and the rejection of the article you posted, in the beginning, that we should move forward, you have no intentions of moving forward, with compromize, you have no intentions of accepting the well-recorded crimes and come to terms with your bloody History, you have no intention on even imitating us Greeks as the articles verify, when we have proven beyond any doubt, that we are ready to move forward, but never on the expense of History. Never.
First you shall accept your crimes in order to prove that you have no intention for future repetition and then we shall all move forward to gether. Until then, keep on playing the card of the Greek bigot.
While the physical collapse of the junta as a government was immediately caused by the Cyprus debacle , its ideological collapse was triggered by the 1973 Athens Polytechnic uprising. The uprising at the Polytechneion was the event that discredited the military government most and acted as a key catalyst for its eventual demise by exposing the internal contradictions and stresses of the regime thus destroying the myth of the political cohesion of the junta and, therefore, irreparably damaging the political credibility of the "Ethnosotirios Epanastasis" and its message.
Listen missie, if you choose to neglect the point that is not my fault, there was a governemnt, no shit, MY POINT IS: there was total anarchy, a revolution had begun the previous year, and the whole country was in total chaos. If you want to look further go to the respective historical archives and check out what happened in between the Polytecheion event and the final collapse of the Junta.
Yeah the famous dolchstosslegende, there was a government. But please go ahead and fool yourselfs that the situation was abused.
You are the only one who has been fooling herself all this time in here. If you are unable to see this point, then you got to be totally illiterate. Ofc you abused the situation, and invaded 11 years after the supposing events that led to the invasion, and on the same year the revolution had begun in Ellas.
You are a smart girl, do the math yourself. If you want to keep on denying, do not worry there is plenty of sources that verify my point. All in time, now that i know exactly with what kind of people am dealing with in here, all will come in time.
Yes it is the sooner you get over this victim mentality the better. There is no difference between a dirty sheet and a dirtier sheet, they both dirty. Be in peace with your history if you want to make peace with your neighbour, let go of your hate and fear that is imprented into your collective conscience.
You better let go of this preacher mentality of yours, you are not my priest nor my psychologist. You better learn to stick on the topic, instead of playing the psychoanalyst in order to escape the crimes and become a lawyer of the criminals.
Repeat all you want.
Your failure to address, is further conclusion of your inability to address Historical facts.
What are you mumbling about, didn’t you justify in your post the killing if Turks and ethnically cleansing Greece of Turks and Albanians was justified because it was a war period.
Do you have any evidence missie? Or is this ad-hominem your only friend left?
When one fails to prove a point, one withdraws the argument.
Learn.
Dante is fiction, just as your collective conscience, the sooner you get rid of it, the better
The lawyers go even further than the criminals, even in fiction, you better start realizing which part you belong to.
Ofcourse it will fail, the lie in your be dissolved by none but you.
All your Cypriot threads are failures, and all the times confronted by greeks have all failed, now either acccept it, or keep on attacking personally the others and totally changing the discussion. And becoming the same bigot that you preach us.
There are hardly airlines flying straight over the Aegean. Both sides are jeopardizing the issue, don’t blame it on Turkey. Both Greece and Turkey are playing the game. Your government is guilty because it acts as if national airspace is violated and make show machoistic dogfight shows.
And unlike Turkish airforce who doesn’t apply FLIR protocols and Greek airforce actually does violate Turkish airspace:
Turkish air space violated by Greek jets
ANKARA, Turkey, May 17 (UPI) -- Two Greek military jets violated Turkish air space this week prompting protests from Turkey's government, the Turkish military said Thursday.
The Turkish General Staff said for the third time this week, a pair of Greek military jets entered Turkey's restricted air space without incident, The New Anatolian reported.
While Tuesday's incursion into Turkish air space by two Greek F-16s just north of Limnos Island lasted for only a minute, a statement from the General Staff said two similar incursions occurred a day earlier.
The military statement said Monday two incidents occurred where Greek planes entered Turkish air space without permission.
The New Anatolian said the most recent unauthorized incursion prompted the military to inform the Turkish Foreign Ministry about the incidents.
As you realize the article is clear
only for a minute or so, in order for the dogfighting to commence, it means that your planes roam around the FIR, so long that it takes respectable time for the decision to be made, the pilot to get up, lift his ass, and try to take you out of the airspace before you collide with a commercial plane and jeopardize the lives of innocent civilians, this is following protocol, missie, and your pilots have a choice, the same way you have a choice all this time in here, they can get the fuck out without much effort, or they can sit there like assholes and play, one of them was a murderer and decided to throw his plane and kill the Greek. Bravo, and Hails to Mighty turkish Airforce, am sure you are all glad for killing the innocent infidel, for literally nothing!
I don’t want your apologize, not from a bigoted and hateful one like you. Besides you have already apologized enough for today.
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Give me official proof of ethnic cleansing of civilians.
And i will accept it, I am not a Turk, i repeat.
Yes you are, you are the same Turk that is in you bigoted hateful mind of yours.
And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you
Forget it you cant even apprehend what I am saying let alone understand my message.
Psychological coronas on the nth. Please continue, am actually enjoying this.
Your message that i messaged first in here is that all should move forward, to do that we have to make sure that the facts are protected in order not to be repeated, if you had the slightest of logic, you would have ended this story in here and gone by peacefully, but all my attempts with you, failed, simply because you have absolutely no difference with your compatriots.
Keep on playing Froyd, it is the least amusing.
All your saying here is your own bigoted mind at work not mine. I did not say anything about you weight with the Jews. Just like you have said countless of times you are comparing apples and oranges. Your nation has never been the victim of genocide. You are keen on playing the victim after your Megali Idea was shattered. And by referring to Hitler you act according to Godwin’s law.
Sure missie, whatever you say. You seem to forget a lot about the events mentioned, you do not like the terminology "genocide" because your government has taught you well there, well i dont give a shit of how you call it. Human life is the same everywhere, and numbers are not of any weight, the juice is the act committed, the persecuations of Turkey upon the Greek people is as much a fact as it is Hitler's persecutions to the Jews.
One in greater numbers, the other in smaller; but repetitious events. You think you can separate them because your sick mind has taught you that grievances differ, dont you?
No missie, crimes are crimes whatever semantics are attributed to them, and yes indeed the Pontians have been genocided, by your disgusting State, together with the Armenians.
What history, the fragmented and sentimentalized one from your collective conscience. I am at peace with my past, I don’t hate Greece or Greeks for what they did. Are you willing to become at peace with yours.
Are you willing to make progress
Or rot in that national conscience of hate and fear that you are in.
You have nothing to hate the Greeks for, absolutely nothing.
Not only that, but you settled the homes that we left behind when your family came from the Caucasus down in Cappadokia.
And i do not hate the Turks either missie, the only thing i want from the Turks is to ackwnoledge, one simple ackwnoldement for the TRUE events that have taken place the past century, in order to prove with actions that they are willing to move forward, I DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT REPARATIONS OR WHATEVER, and other minor idiocies the beggars want to, simple acknowledgement at least by one single moderate Turco, ackwnoledgement of the sourced true events, in order to be able to discuss freely without anything stopping the integration between the people, if you applied the psychology you have been applying on my person all this time, you would have simply given your honest opinion, and this discussion would have ended, because you cannot escape from the TRUTH, missie, no matter what excuse you invent.
Read again before you make assumptions.
It is indeed very funny of you quoting Greek articles, that prove that the Greeks are discussing the Issue at hand and make efforts to build a bridge, do you have a relative Turkish article, or do you have an article 16 that denigrates Turkishness?
Before you use 2 words out of the pool of information to prove you bigotted point about the Greeks and their supposing hate, you better read exactly what is the point of the article, both this one, and the OP one. And realize that we as Greeks take initiative to fix these problems, on the contrary YOU not only deny the crimes, but you continue throwing the vomit up in the air, and accuse us of whatever comes to mind, in order to escape, the unescapable.
Good for you with your collectivized conscience, know you can you having the dirt ammo to confirm your bigoted and hateful reality.
You are the proof yourself of propaganda, sadly you cant recognize it.
Sadly you fail to recognize your own position as well.
You cant let it come through since that would disrupt your pseudo collective conscience imprinted on you to hate and fear the big bad Turk. Without that you fear to loose your Greekness. Let me tell you, your Greekness is already dead. That is why you insist on using Greek words, mumble the words of your automated chauvinist collective conscience. In fact your Greekness has never lived, it is based on the Turks as antagonists and the Greek as the protagonists. It has always been pixilation between the electrons of your clouded mind. Your Greekness is based on a lie to hate. First be at peace with yourself by releasing yourself from this lie. Not for me, a Turk, but for the sake of yourself.
Now you are only dragging yourself further inside the rabbits hole, by even denying my Greekness, you have been taught and trained greatly in your fascist State. Well done missie, you have verified every single point that i have made in regards to your education and culture.
You are not discussing anything you are processing some words out of your collectivized conscience.
This is the 7 th in this post or 50 th time in total that you repeat this phrase in here, are you a parrot? And insignificant parrotism, pure personal attacking.
You are seeking for a mental masturbation. Dont be lazy my opinions are written all over, read it yourself.
The question is when will you come out of your collective conscience.
Nothing comes through in the propagated mind, until it realizes itself.
I already have given you the answer, it did not do the job. You have failed to read/apprehend any of my arguments above or to give a straight reaction on them,.
Yet even vomit overwhelmes your clouded mind.
Further parroting no reply and none at all.
I am very proud of you, you have totally verified everything posted, every single thing.
And now you will further prove your attitude in regards to the well known, "the enemy of the enemy is my friend" and follow both Fyromaniacs and Albanians into the oblivion:
The attempt you make for friendship fails in all 3 neighbours (Albania, Macedonia and Turkey) because most of the people in Greece have a negative attitude towards these nationals because of their chauvinistic collective conscience which is fed by the education system. Liberate yourself from this lie.
I will say it again
You cant let it come through since that would disrupt your pseudo collective conscience imprinted on you to hate and fear the big bad Turk. Without that you fear to loose your Greekness. Let me tell you, your Greekness is already dead. That is why you insist on using Greek words, mumble the words of your automated chauvinist collective conscience. In fact your Greekness has never lived, it is based on the Turks as antagonists and the Greek as the protagonists. It has always been pixilation between the electrons of your clouded mind. Your Greekness is based on a lie to hate. First be at peace with yourself by releasing yourself from this lie. Not for me, a Turk, but for the sake of yourself.
Are you willing to make progress
Or rot in that national conscience of hate and fear that you are in.
When all these puppets of yours, come to terms with themselves, including you that you are ready to usurp every thing related to Greece in order not to feel inferior as Humans that you have added nothing in the mental development of this particular area, you will become able to teach and show off your interestingly verifiably bigotted views on the Ellines and your real inferiority complexes in regards to US Ellin.
Until then, i am ultimately sorry for your being with all the sincerety that can be accompanied, i wish you well, and i tell you as my final words to you that:
OLA EDO PLIRONON TE.
And finally i urge you to listen to this song and find a translator to translate it for you:
Stou Aiwna to Feygio-To the century's Turn
It can only do good to your totalitarian mentality and braiwashed mind. Until our next meeting you can keep on reading the masterpieces of Seferis and Kazantzakis, and realize the Human pain caused and expressed by the most beautiful words on the planet, the Ellinic, you might eventually free yourself from the chains that your disgusting regime has binded you with.
NIPSONANOMIMATAMIMONANOPSIN