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By MB.
#1918893
I was thinking Salamis.
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By MB.
#1918901
Or the armada campaign.

Both examples make it absolutely clear that 1) naval power is always defensive 2) small sea powers can defeat large land power empires.
By Arbiter Azariah
#1918908
Ingliz wrote:we are everyone's friend and noone's enemy.

C'mon, man. What's your problem with him? Peter Noone is a pretty chill guy, from what I've heard.

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By Falx
#1918913
You mean the Spanish armada in 1588?

Maybe I should qualify, since the second world war, and in the last 30 years specifically, navies have played no role in the defence of second rate powers against first rate powers.
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By MB.
#1918934
The Falklands is not a good example since the Argentine navy was technically on the offensive. Anyway the Argentine fleet-in-being was deemed a threat significant enough to warrant the attention of basically the RN's entire fleet strength.

and in the last 30 years specifically, navies have played no role in the defence of second rate powers against first rate powers.


Well that's fairly significant qualifier. Anyway it's still not true. In the Gulf War, for example, Iraqi mines and coastal craft harassed and restricted Allied naval capability fairly disproportionately with the size and strength of the Iraqi navy, to give but one example.
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By Thunderhawk
#1918944
^ Naval equivilent of guerilla warfare?
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By MB.
#1918951
Naval equivilent of guerilla warfare?


Yes I think so- along the same lines as the USS Cole bombing and the Tonkin Gulf incident.
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By ingliz
#1919056
The Promotion of Employment and Labour Market Institutions Act 2009 wrote:
Mission:

Social cohesion, measured with employment and unemployment rates

Economic cohesion, measured with the GNP per capita index

Objectives:

Increase in employment

Reduction of unemployment

Improvement of the quality of human capital

1.1 Self Employment

Support for people intending to set up a small business, a cooperative, or a social cooperative

i. Individual and group consultancy and training courses

ii. Development grants

iii. Bridge support for between 6-12 months including assistance combining consultancy with effective subsidy absorption

iv. Promotional and information campaigns

1.2 Setting up and developing micro-enterprises in rural areas under the "Rural Development Programme 2009-2015"

Objectives:

Employment growth in rural areas...

A Bill, but it's very long and I am sure you don't want to wade through 94 pages of 'legalese" so, in order to save both your time and mine, I will post a suitably impenetrable abstract, the main proposals in plain English, and a short note on US money and EU technical assistance.

Employment Act 2009 (Abstract)

An Act regarding the promotion of employment and labour market institutions. The new legislation deals with the state’s duties with respect to fostering employment, assuaging the impact of unemployment and 'activating' unemployed people. An important role in the achieving these objectives is envisaged for the social partners.

The new Act supplants a 1994 Act regarding employment and counteracting unemployment and a 2001 Act on facilitating the employment of school leavers. Furthermore, the provisions of the previous Act governing disbursement of pre-retirement benefits will be replaced by a separate statute dealing with these matters

The legislative Act regarding promotion of employment and labour market institutions is one of the cornerstones of a legislative package (known as the 'Honi plan') prepared by HoniSoit, now the Prime Minister who was charged with economic and labour affairs in the now-disbanded "Potemkin" cabinet. A draft was ready, but controversy surrounding the Honi plan as a whole meant that its implementation was delayed until now. The new Act is a prerequisite for the smooth incorporation of PoFo's disparate employment legislation into a seamless network of employment services.

The Act comes into force in stages.

Overview of new regulations

The Act regarding promotion of employment and labour market institutions provides that the state’s labour market policies are based on a 'domestic plan of pro-employment activities' drawn up by the cabinet with due heed to the need for an employment strategy.

The new Act introduces several concepts previously unknown in PoFo law. The first of these is the definition of a catalogue of employment service entities, public as well as private:

•the public employment services - ie the employment offices at county and regional level;
•the 'volunteer labour corps'- an entity financed out of the state budget that works towards the objective of enabling young people to continue their education and to gain vocational skills;
•employment agencies - a category which includes labour placement agencies, personnel consultancies and temporary staffing agencies;
•training institutions - commercial entities that train unemployed people;
•social dialogue institutions; and
•local partnership institutions (see below).

The Act defines the basic types of labour market services, namely:

•labour market intermediation/placement;
•career counselling and information;
•assistance with active job-seeking; and
•organisation of training.

As compared with the old regulations governing labour market-related matters, the new Act places more emphasis on 'activation' than on welfare. It enshrines a dramatic overhaul of the employment services’ operating model. These institutions have previously acted as a dispenser of unemployment benefits, but now their task is to aid the jobless in actively looking for work. A series of measures incorporated in the Act is addressed specifically to those groups within the population who are most threatened by unemployment: the youngest (aged below 25) and the oldest (over 50) participants in the labour market; long-term unemployed people (those without work for two years or more); unskilled people; lone parents of children aged up to seven; and people with disabilities. For example, for people aged 50 or more, time spent receiving unemployment benefit will be credited towards the combined length of employment necessary to qualify for a retirement benefit. However, the Act concentrates more on activation measures. The public authorities may: subsidise - for a period of up to 12 months - commuting and accommodation costs insofar as they relate to taking up paid employment or an internship/apprenticeship; subsidise the purchase of equipment needed for work/business activity; and reimburse to employers that recruit unemployed people the social insurance contributions paid in relation to these workers.

The new Act provides a legal basis for the establishment by employers of self-financed training funds, expenditure from which can qualify for partial reimbursement from the public authorities. Also, where an employee is sent on training leave (another new concept introduced by the Act) of at least 22 days’ duration, an unemployed person assigned by the labour office can be recruited temporarily to fill the absent worker's job (on the basis of a 'contract for substitution'), and the cost of training and remunerating this unemployed person may be partly reimbursed from the Labour Fund .

The Act also provides for 'monitored redundancy programmes', which are mandatory for employers employing at least 100 people and contemplating collective redundancies. Under such a programme, the employer collaborates with the labour office to provide the redundant employees with support in the area of training, career counselling and employment intermediation, and to assist them with active job-hunting.

The Act includes many provisions devised to motivate unemployed people to look for jobs actively. One of these instruments is the possibility for an unemployed person who takes up a part-time job paying less than the minimum monthly wage to continue drawing a portion of his or her unemployment benefit. As regards unemployment benefits themselves , the maximum period over which they can be paid out has been extended; while, nominally, such benefits will still be collected over a basic period of 6 months, this limit applies only to areas where the unemployment rate is not more than 125% of the national average. In practical terms, this means that some unemployed people would be entitled to claim benefit for up to 3 months more than the period allowed under the old rules . This will translate into a lengthening of the unemployment benefit eligibility period in almost 150 counties.

An important change made by the new law is the elaboration of rules governing the registration of employment agencies, and also the institution of a duty whereby people engaging in professional labour market intermediation and advice must obtain a licence issued by the minister charged with labour affairs.

Social partners' role in employment promotion

The role and the duties of the social partners in their capacity as a legislatively designated 'institution' of the labour market, and also the relevance of social dialogue for employment promotion, regarding promotion of employment and labour market institutions.

The underlying premise of the Act is that labour market policies are pursued by the government in cooperation with the social partners; the platforms for such cooperation are to be presented in the National Employment Council and in the regional employment councils, which have the status of review and advisory bodies. The trade unions and the employers' associations join the public employment services in the provision of services. Cooperation between the public authorities and the social partners with respect to fostering employment can also assume the form of initiatives at the county and regional levels. Local authorities may also commission the social partners (as they may all other labour market institutions other than the labour offices) to perform tasks relating to employment promotion and to vocational activation of unemployed people. Duly empowered entities may also approach the authorities with initiatives of their own. Work may be commissioned by way of an open bidding procedure; in their execution of the projects, selected entities may receive public funding in the form of earmarked grants.

Main points in plain English

We will open government employment agencies.

We will offer guaranteed vocational training to the young unemployed.

We will offer guaranteed retraining to the long term unemployed.

We will offer support for people intending to set up a small business, a cooperative, or a social cooperative

We will develop micro-enterprises in rural areas

We will offer government employment to the disabled and offer to partially subsidise, waive payroll taxes etc, private employers who do the same.

We will partially subsidise childcare facilities in factories.

The unemployed over 50 will be credited the "stamp"

We will partially subsidise apprenticeships

We will make up the wages of the unemployed who take on part time work so that it is more than the dole, for as long as they are eligible for benefit, and subsidise their commuting expenses and purchase of work related necessaries.

Allow the unemployed to take on short term contracts without them losing benefits by having to wait for a period after the contract ends before they are eligible to claim benefit again.

Partially subsidise employers' training expenses who offer ongoing vocational training programmes for their employees

Make employers with over 100 employees pay for the retraining of redundant workers.

Extend benefit eligibility in areas of high unemployment

License private training and employment agencies

Community work schemes will be subsidised after being vetted by a National Employment Council made up of representatives from both the unions and employers

Training schemes to be approved by the NEC before getting subsidies

Government training schemes to be contracted out to private entities.

A short note

Good news, for once, in principle our human development programme is eligible for US Foreign Aid grants earmarked during the Ryan era plus additional assistance under the "countries in transition to democracy" programme financed by the US Economic Support Fund. And there is also some EU Foreign Aid for the IT needed to set up an integrated, national, advice, training and employment service. The EU will also be providing other technical assistance, EURES specialists to advise us on setting up our employment services.
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By Oxymoron
#1919147
Still, why does it matter who calls us what? Are we that insecure?


I dont like to be insulted, but it would be ok if he wasnt threatening our interests in the region and allowing Russian Navy and AirForce to wage exercises so close to our territory basically encroaching on the Monroe Doctrine.He is a threat, and a pretty damn punchable mug.
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By Demosthenes
#1919503
Oxymoron wrote:I dont like to be insulted, but it would be ok if he wasnt threatening our interests in the region and allowing Russian Navy and AirForce to wage exercises so close to our territory basically encroaching on the Monroe Doctrine.He is a threat, and a pretty damn punchable mug.


And this is different from what we are doing in the former Soviet Republics how exactly? Plus the Monroe Doctrine is essentially our Iron Curtain, the other side just doesn't have a Churchill to proclaim it so. Well, no one likes to be insulted, still...It just seems a little....well, whatever you can have your opinion.

I think anyone who is overthrown by internal coup and returned to power shortly thereafer by his OWN people, deserves a closer look that just what you hear about in the media.

Any, we're going off-topic, my fault...we can talk about it elsewhere if you like.
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By HoniSoit
#1919511
Demo wrote:I think anyone who is overthrown by internal coup and returned to power shortly thereafer by his OWN people, deserves a closer look that just what you hear about in the media.


Not to say winning many fair elections and enjoying the level of popular support that can only be envied by our presidents and prime ministers.
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By Oxymoron
#1919517
And this is different from what we are doing in the former Soviet Republics how exactly?


That is why you might remember there was a little something happening in Georgia. You will also note Russian anger at Poland because of the proposed Missle Shield.

Plus the Monroe Doctrine is essentially our Iron Curtain, the other side just doesn't have a Churchill to proclaim it so. Well, no one likes to be insulted, still...It just seems a little....well, whatever you can have your opinion.


What is wrong with protecting our interests?

I think anyone who is overthrown by internal coup and returned to power shortly thereafer by his OWN people, deserves a closer look that just what you hear about in the media.


He might be a great guy, I really dont care as long as he acts as a bone in our throat I will dislike him.

Any, we're going off-topic, my fault...we can talk about it elsewhere if you like.

sure why not
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By Doomhammer
#1920871
Maybe I should qualify, since the second world war, and in the last 30 years specifically, navies have played no role in the defence of second rate powers against first rate powers.

I think we should still have a navy. Even a few lumbering capital ships. The fact of the matter is this:

They are monstrously large and therefore very intimidating. In times of crises, these ships could be sent to deter or outright frighten the opposing side. And these ships are slow; an advantage. While managing a crisis (say, someone pissed us off or is threatening the well-being of RoP), these slow moving ships will not only grant us time for us to plan carefully, but it will also give the other guys time to think about the seriousness of the situation. Thus it will also create a chance for dialogue and any such crisis would eventually be solved.

Big-ass capital ships: Hell yeah! Moar please.
By Zyx
#1921003
A group of you should get together and start drafting a bill.

You can debate for years but without putting a bill forward, it's useless.

Let's talk money, figures and statistics.
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By Potemkin
#1921012
And these ships are slow; an advantage. While managing a crisis (say, someone pissed us off or is threatening the well-being of RoP), these slow moving ships will not only grant us time for us to plan carefully, but it will also give the other guys time to think about the seriousness of the situation. Thus it will also create a chance for dialogue and any such crisis would eventually be solved.

It didn't work against Argentina during the Falklands/Malvinas War, did it? For internal political reasons, Galtieri couldn't back down. :hmm:
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By MB.
#1922020
Big-ass capital ships:


I recommend buying this:

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From the US government and modernizing it (again).
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By MB.
#1922300
USS Iowa
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By ingliz
#1922532
Dave is willing to broker a licensing agreement with the German manufacturers of our diesel electric hybrids and build them at his shipyards.
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