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Are we going to hold another election soon? We'll have to decide which parties are going to run this time and then we can vote again. I think this time we'll be more prepared to form a government now that we have a little experience with this.
By Falx
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Yes, but there are too many threads in the forum. Maybe making the voting a stiky at top, or a major purge moving everything to a separate forum so we can only focus on threads that are relevant to this election.
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By Karl_Bonner_1982
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I agree, this has degenerated into a mess. Just when it looked like we might be getting somewhere, too!
By Falx
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Ideas are a dime a dozen, I've had a look at some threads and even the GMs are considering calling new elections. I don't know when they will be held but keeping the vote open over the weekend would be a good idea, since most people have free time then.
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By HoniSoit
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New election is definitely being considered.

Or perhaps we could just allow SN-RF or SLD which received the most and second most number of votes in the last election to form a government and get the game going.

People are losing interests but if we can set the parliament in motion we may be able to revitalise the game.
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By Fasces
#1892776
The PoP would like to propose some electoral and executive reforms prior to a new election, if possible. Specifically, we want to separate the government from the legislature, as in the French system, to avoid coalition bickering in the future.
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By ingliz
#1892819
What is the point of new elections if after them you are still stuck with the same "rules"? No, I say open parliament, install a caretaker government and thrash out a new constitution before calling fresh elections. Call it what you will, a national unity government, let it be made up of the Party leaders, whatever, and present a rough draft for discussion but this new document needs the legitimacy that only amendment and ratification in the House will give it. We cannot allow another set of rules to be imposed upon us
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By Thunderhawk
#1892820
Why not whip up a basic constitution (or alter the existing one. Nothing time consuming as it might go nowhere), post it and see what the responce is?
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By ingliz
#1892822
Article 1. Elections

1. The Clerk of the Parliament must administer a responsible election and its results must be tabulated and certified by the Clerk no more than 2 days after the preceding election's results were certified.
2. A simple majority in Parliament has the power to dissolve the government, demand a new election, and/or constitute a new government.
2(a). A minority government requires a super majority of 66% of the members voting to end its mandate
3. Elections shall be conducted, tabulated, and certified by the Clerk of the Parliament, who will be designated by any successful act that forms a government.

Article 2. Convention of Parliament

1. Parliament will constitute 35 seats in a single house apportioned by the D'Hondt method according to the results certified by the Clerk of the Parliament.
2. Each MP is entitled to one seat;
3. All current Clerks of the Parliament shall maintain, certify, and report the assignment of seats from the parties in good faith.
4. Once the Clerk of the Parliament certifies that a seat has been assigned an MP, that seat may not be estranged from that MP until the next general election conducted by the Clerk of the Parliament, except by the express and public consent of the MP (certified by the Clerk of the Parliament), or by a 2/3 vote of the Parliament to impeach that MP.
5. This document guarantees no relief or arbitration for disputes within parties. Relief and arbitration would need to be sought through further Acts of Parliament and amendments to this document.

Article 3. Legislation

1. A vote of confidence can only be called on legislation introduced by the Government although private member's bills may be introduced by any MP they have no constitutional significance. Every piece of legislation will be a separate thread.
2. Any piece of legislation that receives more than 1/2 the votes of the members voting becomes the law of the land.
3. Votes will be placed in the thread as for, against, or (optionally) abstain. Abstaining votes are not counted
3(a). Each vote will last 72 hours
4. MPs (that is, people assigned seats in Parliament) have the right to break with their party leader if they so choose over a piece of legislation.
5. Legislation may be withdrawn by its author, in which case no further votes on that legislation are recognized.
6. No further votes will be recognized on any legislative thread originating with a previous elected parliament after the election that followed it has been certified by the Clerk of the Parliament. This means that all pending legislation dies when election results are certified.
7. Amendments to this document must receive more than 2/3 the votes of members voting to become law.
8. Laws inconsistent with this document (and any successful amendments to it) are prima facie invalid as inconsistent with the basic law of the nation, but this document guarantees no relief or arbitration if a law is challenged on a constitutional basis. The Parliament may ordain and empower bodies which have the power to grant relief and arbitration in disputes as to the constitutionality of legislation .

Article 4. Formation of Government

1.The government is to be formed by the largest grouping with a single-platform and single-leadership organisation in Parliament.
2. At any time, a piece of government legislation may be introduced by the Prime Minister, a member of the ruling Party or grouping elected to that position by members of that ruling Party or grouping. This legislation, like any legislation, will succeed if it receives the support of more than 1/2 the members voting. The first bill introduced by a new government is always a vote of confidence.
2(a). Government legislation is defined as any legislation introduced by the Prime Minister or any legislation introduced by a government MP that pertains to specific policy contained in the Party platform
3. The government will designate, at a minimum, a Prime Minister and a Clerk of the Parliament. The government may designate as many other ministers as it likes. Those ministers will have the power to introduce legislation pertaining to their portfolio, and are at liberty to interpret the legislation passed by Parliament.
4. The first Parliament will be convened upon the moment of the Clerk of the House certifying the election results.

Anyone like to change anything, add anything, clarify, remove etc etc.? This is only meant to stimulate discussion.
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By MistyTiger
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Is the new election starting on June 8th, as I saw in a mod thread? (That's my birthday.) I look forward to the election.

Whoever is losing interest, can drop out of the game any time, if they so wish. :)
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By Fasces
#1892860
It doesn't fix the problems inherent in a parliamentary system. Why not make government separate, with a separate election, and use parliament as a legislature in a larger government? Through run-off elections, we can have a government at the same time as parliament, and avoid the entire mess with coalitions, etc. That constitution still requires a vote of confidence prior to taking government, and no minority government will ever get that vote.

Article 1. Elections

1. The Clerk of the Parliament must administer a responsible election and its results must be tabulated and certified by the Clerk no more than 2 days after the preceding election's results were certified.
2. A super-majority of parliament must vote to call early elections, for the legislature. A strict bi-monthly term will be adhered to.
3. Elections shall be conducted, tabulated, and certified by the Clerk of the Parliament, who will be designated by any successful act that forms a government.

Article 2. Convention of Parliament

1. Parliament will constitute 33 seats in a single body directly proportional to their vote, as calculated by Parliament.
2. Each MP is entitled to one seat;
3. All current Clerks of the Parliament shall maintain, certify, and report the assignment of seats from the parties in good faith.
4. Once the Clerk of the Parliament certifies that a seat has been assigned an MP, that seat may not be estranged from that MP until the next general election conducted by the Clerk of the Parliament, except by the express and public consent of the MP (certified by the Clerk of the Parliament), or by a 2/3 vote of the Parliament to impeach that MP.
5. A proposed Clerk must receive support of 51% of parliament, and is not appointed by the executive.

Article 3. Legislation

1. The legislature will be in charge of receiving and proposing laws and other bills.
2. All legislation must receive 40% of the vote, and the signature of the head of government, or 60% of the vote without the signature, in favor, to be considered law.
3. Votes will be placed in the thread as for, against, or (optionally) abstain. Abstaining votes are not counted
3(a). Each vote will last 96 hours
4. MPs (that is, people assigned seats in Parliament) have the right to break with their party leader if they so choose over a piece of legislation.
5. Legislation may not be withdrawn once proposed, without the approval of the Clerk.
6. No further votes will be recognized on any legislative thread originating with a previous elected parliament after the election that followed it has been certified by the Clerk of the Parliament. This means that all pending legislation dies when election results are certified.
7. Amendments to this document must receive more than 2/3 the votes of members voting to become law, as well as support from the executive of the government.
8. Laws inconsistent with this document (and any successful amendments to it) are prima facie invalid as inconsistent with the basic law of the nation, but this document guarantees no relief or arbitration if a law is challenged on a constitutional basis. The Parliament may ordain and empower bodies which have the power to grant relief and arbitration in disputes as to the constitutionality of legislation .

Article 4. Formation of Government

1. The government will consist of a separate executive office, headed by a single individual, elected by the general populations, through a majority vote.
2. If no majority vote is received in the first round of elections, the two candidates with the most votes will continue to a second run-off election.
3. The executive will have full rights to appoint any members they see fit to the various ministries, requiring a 33% vote of approval from Parliament. Appointed ministers may also be members of parliament.
4. The executive may be impeached with a 70% vote from Parliament. Outside of resignation, or impeachment, elections will be held only at appointed times. Should an executive resign, his deputy will complete his term.
5. The executive may not be a member of parliament.

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