[Vladimir]

No, that is ridiculous, The government will design its housing to last. I am not spending billions to put up temporary structures, we will get this right the first time round.

some will last, some won't; changes in industry, population and infrastructure and inevitable and we need to be able to reconfigure any district without destroying significant housing stock.

"If you build above 11 or 12 storeys, building costs go very high. At 35 storeys or more they are around £4,000 per square metre, against £1,500 for mid-rise."

£1000 per square metre to 3 storeys.

Why are we building higher than 12 storeys?

35/12 = 3
4000/1500=2.7
It's more economical to build one 35 story building than 3 mid-rises to house the same number of people.

Having said that, it all depends on the location and no doubt mid-rises will be more adequate in most areas, depending on population.

What we need to do is set up some population ranges for districts and towns and what plan and typology to use, e.g. your "villages" in small towns, slightly higher "villages" of 2-5 floors for some districts of larger towns in parallel with mid-rises, mid-rises to high-rises for large towns and cities

[ingliz]

I was thinking of using the "green square" 3 storey terraced apartments in small cities, they are very high density but still pleasant human scale places to live, a mix of urban village and "green square" in the larger towns and urban village in small towns. Your micro district seems more suited to the inner suburbs than the inner city?

[Vladimir]

Your micro district seems more suited to the inner suburbs than the inner city?

Of course, I don't remember when anyone claimed otherwise.

Anyway sounds fine, apart from

I was thinking of using the "green square" 3 storey terraced apartments in small cities

What would be their locality? Disused undustrial areas? In any case I think it would be best to reduce building density a bit and go up to 5 floors, as in the picture I posted

This is more or less the "green square" model but with 5 floors

[ingliz]

My spaces are more intimate and enclosed, yours impersonal and bleak, big is not always best. Many a small city's working class housing is in the inner city, at least, where I used to live up north in the UK. And I do think these small area densely populated inner city slums would be better served by my solution than yours. It would keep the community intact. The retail infrastructure, and amenities already exist.

The areas are small and the number of residents nowhere near enough to fill your enormous complexes, will you be bussing the deprived in?

[Vladimir]

Sure I just suggested going a bit higher than 3 stories in some places..

[Vladimir]

You never responded regarding the arms bill, copy/paste:

No penalties for using weapons in a crime

This is a separate issue of criminal law though.

No limits on the cache of explosives you can keep in your garden shed

No limits on the classes of explosive

I asked for suggestions on this
(explosive force limit/mass limit???)

No registration of anti tank missiles

No licensing of heavy machine guns

No licensing at all for anything and we have a low grade insurgency funded by the US bubbling away.

Every weapon would be registered and we would know the owners' ID; what else is needed?

[Vladimir]

Missed

My son has just been moved while they demolish his old block for redevelopment, I don't think it was more than 40 years old.

These are 5-storey "Khrushevka" blocks which were designed to last 20 years. They are being demolished and replaced by 20-floor houses... many of them property speculations though

[ingliz]

I did voice some concerns earlier:

Every weapon would be registered and we would know the owners' ID; what else is needed?

Security arrangements: Regulations on how they will be stored or will you let people leave an armed RPG propped up in the kiddies nursery. I have seen examples of such stupidity in the US - Assault rifles stuck into golf bags, with clubs, leaning against the front door jamb.

Police rights of search

Permits to carry, etc. or can people drive "technicals" to work; a recoilless rifle bolted to the flat bed and a 50 calibre machine gun mounted on the cab......

An Arms act is more than just a carte blanche to build an arsenal

[Vladimir]

How about prohibiting carrying automatic weapons and launchers in public urban spaces and private property without an IA permit or consent of the owner (former overriding the latter)?

[ingliz]

That is a start.

Why not restrict them to a licensed shooting range and require a IA permit to carry to and from, with regulations that they must be carried unloaded locked in the boot, in a locked case, and separate from the ammunition. Safety training, maintainance training obligatory and in the case of RPG's an ammunition register, do you really want 30 yr old high explosive rounds bouncing around in the back of a pick up?

[Vladimir]

Feel free to elaborate, not sure what else I can add...

[ingliz]

Firearms, other than pistols, to be stored unloaded in a locked gun safe or strongroom separate from the ammunition.

Automatic and heavy weapons:

Police to have right of random search to ensure registered weapons are not being hired out. You are letting people have some serious firepower whose only use is military or criminal.

I don't really understand why anyone would want automatic and heavy weapons as they would have plenty of time to play with them as members of the militia. That doesn't mean we should ban them for bona fide arms collectors or enthusiasts but we should restrict their use to the range.

Unrestricted arms:

A low velocity, large calibre pistol, not magnum, .45 is best, should be the only weapon allowed to be stored without restriction for home defence. We don't want rifle rounds passing through the plasterboard walls of your mega-complexes, do we?.

Rifles and pistols:

I can see a sporting use for them and competition requires specialist arms, and besides nearly every able bodied citizen, being members of the militia, would keep their personal weapon at home, so I don't see the point of registering or licensing them only insisting that they are stored correctly.

ps. I would issue the militia with a semi auto 7.62x51mm battle rifle and unit support weapons rather than a smaller calibre automatic assault rifle but that is just my preference. Not being regular troops they are likely to lack discipline and I would rather they took aimed shots with a round that does some damage than 'spray' indiscriminately

pps. The election are roughly two weeks away does anyone wish to tweak the manifesto

[MistyTiger]

Thanks, Ingliz.

Zyx, you're right. I need to redraft it again. Thanks for noticing my mistake.

As long as we have estab;ished libertarian socialists like misty tiger in the party how can we go wrong

Thank you for the compliment.

[Vera Politica]

Montreal may be a good example of good use of low-rise density plex housing.

[Zyx]

Pssh,



Arise ye prisoners of want!

[ingliz]

Feel free to elaborate, not sure what else I can add...

Will this do Vlad?

Arms Ordinance 2009

1) a. Firearms are classified as;

1. Restricted: Automatic and certain "heavy" calibre military weapons.
2. Sporting: Rifles - Semi automatic, lever action, pump, and bolt action; Shotguns - semi automatic (fixed or detachable magazine), pump, and break barrel; Air arms over fifteen foot pounds pressure
3. Defensive: Pistols and revolvers.
4. Unrestricted: Black powder; Air arms under fifteen foot pounds pressure


2) Class 1 firearms:

a. Restricted firearms are those arms proper that have no legitimate sporting use
b. A schedule of Class 1 firearms that may be licenced shall be compiled by the Minister of Internal Affairs and displayed prominently in all;
i. Police stations
ii. Premises of licensed arm dealers.
c. Arms not included in the schedule which are antique, historical, rare or artistic may be licenced at the Minister's discretion
c. A license issued by the Minister shall be required to purchase, keep, carry, use, or sell Class 1 firearms.
d. Whosoever shall, without a licence from the Minister of Internal Affairs, keep in any premises any Class 1 firearm or ammunition shall, on conviction, be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.
e. Whosoever shall, without a licence from the Minister of Internal Affairs, have in his possession or under his control, or carry, any Class 1 firearm or ammunition outside any premises or appurtenances thereof shall, on conviction, be liable to a fine of not less than one thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years: Provided that where a person contravenes the provisions of this sub-article because of the actual necessity of lawful self defence or of the lawful defence of another person, he shall not be liable to punishment.
f. Any such licence shall indicate the conditions under which it shall be lawful for the licensee to keep or carry any firearm or ammunition, and shall specify the description of the firearm and the quantity of ammunition for which the licence is issued.

3) Class 2 firearms

a. Sporting arms shall be registered at the time of purchase
b. Sporting arms shall require a police "permit to carry" unless the purchaser has a sporting licence issued by the Commissioner of Police.
c. If the purchaser has a sporting licence an open carry permit shall be issued when the weapon is registered.

4) Class 3 firearms

a. Defensive arms shall be registered at purchase.
b. An open/concealed carry permit shall be issued, according to local custom and practice, if the purchaser is over 18 years and of good conduct.

5) Class 4 firearms

Unrestricted arms are not required to be registered.

6) Youths under 18 shall not be able to purchase firearms, but they may use them at a licensed range, under adult supervision on private property, or on public land, under adult supervision, if the adult has a sporting licence and provided that the licensee has the necessary permissions to shoot on that land.

7) It shall be lawful for the Minister of Internal Affairs to authorise the transfer or entry of firearms and ammunition to and from ROP by a foreigner who is in possession of a licence for such firearms and ammunition validly issued by another country for such purpose and under such terms and conditions as may be prescribed.

8 ) Licence to deal in arms proper.

a. Without prejudice to the provisions of the Customs Ordinance or of any other law, whosoever shall, without a licence from the Minister of Internal Affairs, import or bring into, or export from ROP any firearm or ammunition, and whosoever shall cause to be imported, brought into, or exported from ROP, or shall knowingly aid or assist in any manner whatsoever in the importation or entry into, or exportation from ROP of any such firearm or ammunition, shall, on conviction, be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years
b. Whosoever shall sell or otherwise deal in any firearm or ammunition or keep or expose for sale or other dealing in any such firearm or ammunition without a licence, or prior authorisation in writing, from the Minister of Internal Affairs, shall, on conviction, be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.

9) Sale of "Class 1" firearms to unauthorized persons.

Any dealer in arms proper or any other person, who shall sell, transfer or deliver any Class 1 firearm or ammunition except to a person holding a licence from the Minister of Internal Affairs to purchase or receive such firearm or ammunition, shall, on conviction, be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding seven years.

10) Registration/Licence to purchase arms proper to be returned by dealer to the Commissioner of Police.

a. Any dealer or other person shall, on delivering, by sale or otherwise, any firearm or ammunition to a person in possession of the said licence, retain such licence and transmit the same to the Commissioner of Police not later than the day next following the day of delivery.
b. Any dealer or other person shall, on delivering, by sale or otherwise, any registered firearm to a person , retain such registration and transmit the same to the Commissioner of Police not later than the day next following the day of delivery.
c. The dealer or other person shall, before transmitting the registration/licence to the Commissioner of Police, endorse thereon a declaration signed by him that the firearm or ammunition mentioned therein has been delivered to the person to whom such licence was issued.
d. Whosoever contravenes the provisions of this article shall, on conviction, be liable to a fine of not less than two hundred dollars

11) Account of stock of arms, etc.

a. Every dealer in firearms or arms proper shall keep a proper account of his stock of such arms and shall, before delivering any such arms, by sale or otherwise, to any person, make or cause to be made an entry in a book to be kept for the purpose, specifying the name, surname, father's name, occupation and place of residence of the person to whom the arms are to be delivered, the description of the arms, their number or quantity and the date of the sale or disposition.
b. Every such book shall be numbered on each page and shall be countersigned on the first and last page by the Commissioner of Police, who shall also certify on the book the number of pages which it contains.
c) Any Police officer may at all reasonable times demand inspection of the books referred to in this article, inspect any dealer's shops and stores, check the entries above-mentioned and take account of the stock in hand.
d. Whosoever contravenes the provisions of sub-articles (a) and (b), or on taking delivery of any firearms or arms proper, makes any false statement with regard to any of the particulars mentioned in sub-article (a), shall, on conviction, be liable to a fine of not less than one thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years.

12) Custody of firearms.

a. Any person licensed to keep or carry any firearms or ammunition, shall keep the same in his custody in such a way that they shall not fall into the hands of other persons.
b. Whosoever contravenes the provisions of this article, shall, on conviction, be liable to a fine.

13) Duty of person coming into possession of firearms.

a. Any person coming into possession of any firearm or ammunition otherwise than in virtue of a licence, shall give immediate notice to the Commissioner of Police, who shall direct whether such firearm or ammunition shall be kept in the custody of the Police or of the person giving the notice.
b. It shall be lawful for any Police officer not below the rank of sub-inspector to require any person who is known to have come into possession of any firearm or ammunition otherwise than in virtue of a licence under this Ordinance, to produce to him such firearm or ammunition.
c. Whosoever comes into possession of Class 2 or 3 firearms and contravenes the provisions of this article shall, on conviction, be liable to a fine of not less than two hundred dollars.
d. Whosoever comes into possession of Class 1 firearms and contravenes the provisions of this article shall, on conviction, be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three months.

14) Prohibition on persons convicted of certain offences.

a. Except by special authority of the Minister responsible for the Police, the licences referred to in articles 1 and 2 shall not be granted to any person who, within the five years immediately preceding the date of the application therefor, has been convicted of causing bodily harm with a firearm, an arm proper or other instrument or of taking up any firearm, arm proper or other instrument against other persons, or of theft, or of an offence against the laws relating to the suppression of the white slave traffic, or of gambling or of leading an idle and vagrant life.
b. A licence under articles 2, 3, and 4 may be refused to any person for reasons of public or individual safety, and shall in no case be granted to any person who is under the age of eighteen years.

15) Licence to cease to be in force on conviction of licensee, etc.

A licence shall cease to be in force on conviction of the holder thereof for any of the offences specified in article 14(a), or in any case in which the Commissioner of Police, for reasons of public or individual safety, to be specifically recorded and duly reported by him to the Minister of Internal Affairs, the Minister shall direct such licence to be cancelled or suspended.

16) Licence not required by certain persons.

Persons in the Armed Forces of ROP or in the ROP Police Force shall not require a licence to be in possession of or to carry any arm or other instrument in accordance with the regulations or custom of such service or in the performance of their duty.

17) Where abnormal conditions affecting public safety arise in any part of ROP, it shall be lawful for the Prime Minister, by Proclamation, to cancel all or any of the licences issued under the provisions of this Ordinance.

18) The Minister of Internal Affairs may make rules or regulations to give effect to the provisions of this Ordinance, and without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing may, by such rules or regulations, in particular, do any of the following:
(i) prescribe licence conditions;
(ii) prescribe the application forms for the application, grant, renewal or variation of a licence under this Ordinance;
(iii) prescribe anything that may be prescribed under this Ordinance.

If Vlad does not object this is very close to the Bill that will be put to the vote on Saturday, we will go out with a bang!

[Demosthenes]

Sorry about this guys, but I have become to busy to participate for a little while. If someone should like to contact Gnote he should be able to moderate for awhile. (he was first choice in Gm after all)

I will continue to vote if notified, but if there is another person wanting to MP they can have the seat.

I'm hustling all kinds of work to make it through the summer and I'm just too tired to get too into the sim right now.

Sorry...

I'd like to remain in party membership though because in the future I'm sure I'll be able to participate again.

[ingliz]

13) Duty of person coming into possession of firearms.

a. Any person coming into possession of any firearm or ammunition otherwise than in virtue of a licence, shall give immediate notice to the Commissioner of Police, who shall direct whether such firearm or ammunition shall be kept in the custody of the Police or of the person giving the notice.
b. It shall be lawful for any Police officer not below the rank of sub-inspector to require any person who is known to have come into possession of any firearm or ammunition otherwise than in virtue of a licence under this Ordinance, to produce to him such firearm or ammunition.

Amended to:

13) Duty of person coming into possession of firearms.

a. Any person coming into possession of any firearm or ammunition otherwise than in virtue of a licence or by registration, shall give immediate notice to the Commissioner of Police, who shall direct whether such firearm or ammunition shall be kept in the custody of the Police or of the person giving the notice.
b. It shall be lawful for any Police officer not below the rank of sub-inspector to require any person who is known to have come into possession of any firearm or ammunition otherwise than in virtue of a licence or by registration under this Ordinance, to produce to him such firearm or ammunition.

[ingliz]

The voting threads are now open for the;

Collective Agreements Act

Trade Unoin Balloting Act

Trade Union Training Leave Act

Trade Union Registration Act

Social Housing Act

Arms Ordinance

Please vote, thankyou

[Kon]

How about you create an act to arm farmers and union members as well as unionizing farm labour?

And what is this scheduling automatic firearms thing? We should encourage the populace to revolt against tyranny, they should be allowed so sling AK's across their backs and stroll through the market.