We were getting into the nature of state ownership and you're doing your best to divert attention away from it.
Lenin effectively rejected market socialism, a
bourgeois socialism*. When a choice was to be made between State enterprises and cooperative firms, he systematically gave priority to the former over the latter.
Statistics on the output of industry 1924-5 (in millions of roubles):
Industry
State 6,109
Co-operative 383
Private (including concessions) 266
Small scale industry
State 1,325
Cooperative 348
Private (including concessions) 45
Source: Soviet Union Information Bureau* Engels, The Communist Manifesto
Engels specifically said that there was no such thing as "state socialism:"
Lenin did not.
Lenin, "Left Wing" Childishness wrote:whether it be state capitalist or state socialist.
That's a very utopian thing to assume
I agree, but Engels said it
must be a simultaneous revolution, and you are going with Engels.
Engels wrote:[T]he communist revolution will not merely be a national phenomenon but must take place simultaneously in all civilized countries.
There would have been no transition, no actual change in the means of production.
So, are you now saying you cannot
build socialism in one country? Your previous position was, "
Building socialism is good!".
You'd go through what Lenin called, "The Transition from Capitalism to Communism," before, "The First Phase of Communist Society," which is, "usually called socialism, but termed by Marx the first phase of communism."
So, your advice would be don't bother building a "socialist system" in an isolated revolutionary state*, and instead chill out, have a few beers, and wait for the rapture?
* The later Engels thought backward uncivilised countries would have a proletarian, or more likely peasants led by the proletariat, revolt first.
Engels, Letter to Karl Kautsky in Vienna wrote:There is no workers' party here, there are only Conservatives and Liberal-Radicals, and the workers gaily share the feast of England's monopoly of the world market and the colonies.
"All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia" Orwell
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