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The Palestinians condemned the Paris attacks, remembering very well the lesson of 9/11. At that time, Arafat lost his backing in Washington when, despite the 9/11 attacks, which copied the Palestinian who had carried out suicide attacks and the second intifada had already been under way for a year, he continued to support terrorism. He gave lip service after the attack on the World Trade Towers, and was even photographed donating blood for the wounded. When Washington implored the Israeli leadership to meet with Arafat, Sharon taught President Bush a lesson saying: "There is no such thing as good terrorism and bad terrorism. Murder is murder and terrorism is terrorism. Arafat began perpetrating terrorism more than 30 years ago. What you are asking us to do is to draw a distinction between terrorism against us and terrorism that is perpetrated by others..."

Days after the September 11, 2001, attacks, France's ambassador to Israel, Jacques Huntzinger, sought to justify suicide attacks against Israelis, saying it "would be completely irresponsible" to compare the attacks in America to those in Israel, because "the terror here is linked with a situation of conflict between the Israeli and Palestinian people."

In the end, Israel succeeded to draw the parallel between Palestinian terrorism and Al Qaida. Afterward some Palestinian expressed doubt on the methods of their "resistance" and called suicide bombing mistake. Will The history repeat itself? Right now the Palestinian intifada is quieter.


The Palestinian condemnation comes strange. On the same page they condemn the Paris attack but praise the attacks on Jews.

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9/11 Remembered: Palestinians, the forgotten victims

UK based think tank, Chatham House contributors discuss the significance of 9/11.

TEL AVIV // Two hours after the September 11, 2001, attacks on the US, Mahdi Abdul Hadi stood before an audience of professors and students at Bethlehem University in the West Bank.

He was due to give a lecture - but tore up the 15-page text of his address.

"I was supposed to talk about academia, politics, culture and history, but instead I told them that today was a new cornerstone in the Middle East," recalled Mr Abdul Hadi, the founder of the Jerusalem-based Palestinian Academic Society for the Study of International Affairs.

While anti-Israeli militants had carried out suicide attacks and the second intifada had already been under way for a year, the goals of the Palestinians were a far cry from those of Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

Nevertheless, in the dawning post-9/11 world they often would be painted in the West with the same brush - the repercussions of which Mr Abdul Hadi was all too aware.

"I told my audience these attacks would touch all of our lives," he said.

"Palestinians are the core of the Islamic cause, so anything happening around us is either about us or for us or within us."

Indeed, with the exception of the victims of 9/11 themselves, the Palestinians were as deeply affected by the attacks as any people.

Although the Palestinian cause had ranked for years near the top of the list of most Muslims' list of grievances, the fact that the treatment of Palestinians also rated high in the 9/11 attackers' inventory of injustices would be cited frequently in the next decade to discredit their ambition for a state of their own.

For many people beyond the Arab Middle East, "resistance" became synonymous with "terrorism".

The initial reactions of Palestinians and Israelis helped pin the two peoples on opposite sides of the so-called war on terror.

Some foreign news outlets reported that in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, thousands of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, angry at US support for Israel's actions in occupied territories, had rejoiced, chanting "God is Great" and distributing sweets to passers-by.

They also reported that dozens of uniformed Palestinian guerillas at a refugee camp in Lebanon had fired assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenades into the air in celebration.

Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat expressed shock at the attacks and, according to some reports, even donated blood the following day at a Gaza hospital for its victims.

Nevertheless, the perception of a happy, even gloating, Palestinian public stuck.

In Israel, the reaction to 9/11 was sharply different.

Ariel Sharon, then prime minister, declared the day after the attacks a national day of mourning in solidarity with the US and set up a blood bank for the wounded.

Recognising that George W Bush had become a wartime president, he pressed his advantage.

In the ensuing weeks, he repeatedly likened Arafat to bin Laden in an attempt to smear, if not demonise, the Palestinian leader.

Anticipating US pressure on Israel to make concessions on the Palestinian issue, Mr Sharon also warned the US president in a speech three weeks after the attacks against making the mistakes of Munich in 1938, when British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain had abandoned Czechoslovakia to the Nazi leader Adolph Hitler.

"Do not try to appease the Arabs at our expense," he cautioned. "Israel will not be Czechoslovakia."

The Israeli premier's manoeuvring succeeded handsomely.

Mr Bush publicly announced nine months later that Israel would not have to negotiate under fire and said Washington's policy was now to seek a replacement for Arafat.

Furthermore, he made it clear that the burden of demonstrating progress towards the goal of Middle East peace now fell to the Palestinians.

In effect, the Palestinian-Israeli peace process had been made hostage to "progress" in the war on terror - a calculatingly vague barometer that was tantamount to consenting to no progress at all.

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In the short term, the 9/11 attacks yielded other benefits for Israel, too.

Controversial Israeli military strategies for combating Palestinian violence such as extrajudicial detentions, targeted killings and the profiling of terror suspects became state-of-the-art, sought-after commodities by law enforcement and intelligence agencies around the world.

Into the bargain, Israel's military got a licence for less restraint in the Palestinian territories.

"It was a new chapter of security I called the three Gs - gates, guards and guns," Mr Abdul Hadi said.

Shlomo Brom, a former director of the Israeli army's strategic planning division, believes 9/11 created "more understanding" for Israeli military actions - although the cost in innocent lives was often high.

Disputed Israeli operations such as targeted assassinations - or the deliberate targeting and killing of militants - became an accepted norm, said Mr Brom, now a senior analyst at Israel's Institute for National Security Studies.

"When we started with targeted killings, it wasn't clear whether it was legitimate," he said.

"But with the war on terror, the US began doing it on a daily basis in Pakistan with the drones, and it became a legitimate operational means."

In the view of some Israelis, their country imbibed too heavily on the vindication it received in powerful quarters in the West after the attacks on 9/11.

Now, suggested Yaron Ezrahi, a political scientist at Jerusalem's Hebrew University, it is ailing from a severe hangover.

"Israel is now suffering from a major pathology of overreaction to terror that hurts it on the diplomatic and security fronts," according to Mr Ezrahi.

The attacks fuelled a rightward shift in Israeli politics that was already well under way in 2001, helping empower the more security-minded right while weakening the centre and the left, which advocated a more moderate response to the Palestinian uprising.

Today, that right-wing dominates the country's government and parliament. The security focus and allocation of major state budget resources to the defence establishment has even contributed to a recent mass revolt of Israeli civilians against what they claimed was the neglect in areas such as housing, education and health care, he added. "Israeli citizens are paying an enormous price for the leadership of the likes of Bibi," said Mr Ezrahi, referring by nickname to the country's hardline prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.

Some experts believe that Israel is still stuck in the post-9/11 era of seemingly unchecked aggression and is failing to adjust to a new period of pro-democracy civilian mutinies across the Arab world.

"Palestinians are part of this new era," said Mr Abdul Hadi. "But Israelis continue their violence in the West Bank and Gaza. They have not yet awakened to what would happen to them if the Palestinian street wakes up."

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As Sharon has a history of war crimes and terrorism himself, there is fair bit of hypocracy in his statements as he also supported a number of Israeli prime ministers who committed acts of terrorism. Israel has never reject ted terrorists, they are awarded medals by the state of Israel , elected to high office and honoured.
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Ever since the Palestinians cheered Saddam Hussein when he occupied Kuwait, the Kuwaitis are not impressed by the Palestinians holy cause

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/239/0/8806.htm

Kuwaiti Columnist: Israel Has The Right To Defend Itself Against Palestinian Knife Terrorism

On October 18, 2015, Kuwaiti journalist 'Abdallah Al-Hadlaq published an unusual article in the official Kuwaiti daily Al-Watan harshly condemning the "Palestinian knife terrorism" and the "incitement" by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud 'Abbas. Israel, he stated, has the right to defend itself and also to kill the Palestinian assailants, even if they are women and children. Al-Hadlaq also attacked the international community for not taking Israel's side and for failing to support this right. He concluded his article with the promise that the Israeli truth would eventually win out and overcome the Palestinian lie. However, following highly negative reactions, Al-Watan was forced to remove the article from its website.

This is not the first time that Al-Hadlaq has expressed support for Israel. Previously, he published several articles supportive of Israel and sharply critical of Iran and Hamas. For this reason, he was included in the 2009 blacklist of Arab writers who support Israel and oppose the resistance axis that was published by pro-resistance axis Arab newspapers and websites.[1]

Below is a translation of Al-Hadlaq's article:

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Al-Hadlaq's article on the Al-Watan website prior to its removal

"Palestinian President Mahmoud 'Abbas must stop the incitement to hatred and condemn the attacks targeting Israelis. [He must do] this given the upsurge in stabbing incidents against Israelis in Jerusalem and other Israeli cities.

"As Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has said, the Palestinian knife terrorism will not vanquish Israel.

"In view of the intensification of the crimes carried out by the Palestinians – their knife terrorism against Israeli soldiers and attempts to seize their weapons, as well as crimes against innocent civilians – Israel has a right to defend itself and kill the Palestinian terrorists, whatever their age, whether they are children, adolescents, men, or women.

"It is embarrassing that the international community remains silent, like the dead, in confronting Palestinian crimes against Israelis, the continued series of stabbings against them, and the escalation of Palestinian knife terrorism. This same international community denies Israel's legitimate right to defend itself, its people, and its citizens.

"The State of Israel will continue to exist, and the Palestinian knife terrorism will not frighten it; the scattered Palestinian refugee camps are temporary. [This is because] despite the international community's negligence [in that it does not] support Israel's [right] to defend itself, its people, and its army, we are talking about the Palestinian lie versus the clear, open, Israeli truth.

"Thus, the Israeli truth will win, although only a few support it, and the Palestinian lie will be defeated, even though many cheer it."

Endnote:

[1] See MEMRI Special Dispatch No. 6132, Kuwaiti Columnist: The Gulf States' Real Enemy Is Iran; Israel Is A Friendly Country, August 13, 2015; MEMRI Inquiry & Analysis No. 635, Concerns in Kuwait, Gulf over Iranian Threat to Gulf States, September 9, 2010; MEMRI Special Dispatch No. 5061, Arab Columnists Criticize Firing Of Rockets From Gaza As Reckless Escapade Serving Iran, Not Palestinians, November 20, 2012; MEMRI Special Dispatch No. 2319, Arab Media Publishes Blacklist of Writers, April 20, 2009.



http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/239/0/8811.htm


Egyptian Journalist Ibrahim 'Issa: Stabbing Israeli Civilians 'Is Not Resistance, There Is No Nobility In It, And It Does Not Serve The Cause Of Liberation'

"Kitchen Knives Will Never Liberate Palestine"

"What is saddening is that the Palestinians, when they decide on rage (if rage awaits a decision at all), only stab Israelis with knives. Allow me, amidst all the fever of rage, to dispute this action. I almost feel as though when you use knives to stab passersby or individuals going here or there, you are forsaking our noble cause.
"The resistance – if armed it must be – should be directed against occupying soldiers, and not civilians just passing by. When someone dashes off to stab an Israeli youth passing on the street, or a settler crossing at the traffic light – this is not resistance. There is no nobility in it, and it does not serve the cause of liberation. It is only an expression of a flood of rage that has overcome, blinded, and drowned reason.
"The bombing attacks on Israeli cafes, shops, and public transportation, although widespread in the previous intifada, failed to aid our cause; rather, they thwarted it. Each and every one of us who have zealously and furiously supported this cause must take care that it does not lose its moral justification and relinquish human values.
"It is not by killing civilians that the homeland will be liberated – and to state this more emphatically: Kitchen knives will never liberate Palestine."
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impressive .....defending a state that commits acts of terrorism by quoting topics about other states that
publicly support terrorism ....

and how exactly is palestinians attacking israeli's who are i dont know ..like occupying their country ..
is the same as an attack on innocents in a country in anther continent ??
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The Palestinians have a national struggle that has been co-opted to include Islamic aspects as the resistance/terror groups attempt to use religion as a motivator.

But seriously, didn't ISIS declare its emnimity for the Palestinian national cause because it was not seeking an Islamic caliphate but a secular state much like Turkey/Egypt?
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Tailz wrote:The Palestinians have a national struggle that has been co-opted to include Islamic aspects as the resistance/terror groups attempt to use religion as a motivator.

But seriously, didn't ISIS declare its emnimity for the Palestinian national cause because it was not seeking an Islamic caliphate but a secular state much like Turkey/Egypt?


Yeah, ISIS did just that, with that same reasoning: the Palestinian struggle is nationalist rather than purely Islamic in nature.
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Yeah, ISIS did just that, with that same reasoning: the Palestinian struggle is nationalist rather than purely Islamic in nature.


Turning to Hamas, and now ISIS in some cases, has killed their image of a secular movement. People may look back on this as the nail in the coffin.
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The nail in the coffin was probably when Israel supported hamas to weaken the PLO and stop the first intafada.

Who knew empowering Islamists to achieve political goals might one day backfire?
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It hasnt backfired for israel, assuming what you say is true. Even if it is, the people of gazza supported and voted for it.

They are doing just fine. Safer and more secure than any time in history, all their enemies castrated ...
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