Maoz Zur wrote
But, you can say the same thing about Palestinian nationalism, Tibetian nationalism and any other kind of nationalism wich can be seen in almost every country and nation.
Not quite. The Palestinian refugees are still first generation, as are the Tibetans. They also are experiencing repression. One could argue that the Jews were just as badly repressed. It's strange then how a tons of rich fundementalist Christians and rich American jews emigrate to Israel. It would be wrong to compare these people to Palestinians. If Tibet liberated itself and coquered China, installing a massive Buddhist state I would also object. Hypothetically, if some oppressed form of humankind made a claim to Etheopia because that was where their ancesters evolved, we would no doubt both just laugh. If some ancient scroll suggests that Tibetans began life in Europe and the Tibetans made a claim to a piece of land in central Europe the size of Tibet, I would also object. That would be regardless of the accuracy of such a scroll.
But what is it has to do with Israel? Israel doesn't clame for the whole mid east- and all it want's is to exist as Jewish and democratic free counry. The proof of that was when Israel gave back the territories of Lebanon, Egypt and Syria wich it conquered when Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon attacked it. Israel doesn't aspire for world ruling.
The "right" to certain lands is not untypical of Fascism. Nazi Germany didn't claim all of Europe in the short term did it? Israel represents a province of Amerika. It already rules the world. Everything Israel doesnt want Amerika votes against or vice versa in the UN despite overwhelming international opinion. These two little countries have a remarkable record for "going it alone". It's always the World v the US, never the opposite. You surely can not deny the staunch support of the US for Israeli policy. The two nations are as good as one. Here's a question:
why did Israel build an illegal nuclear arsenal if not as a leverage over its enemies? why did the U$ overlook it yet bomb others who might threaten such middle eastern monopoly into the stone age? Now that's a hard one. No doubt it'll be a surgical tool in the war against terror.
Maoz Zur
Actually, Israel can also clame for most the middle east- because in it's golden age the "United Hebrew Kingdom of Israel(was composed of Judah and Efraim tribes). But it doesn't clame for it, right?
I was demonstrating the absurdity of the whole concept.
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If we talk about the war in 1948, that it was surly "Arabs" who attacked Israel, because it was not one- but few Arab countries.
Why does Lebanon or Egypt or much less, their government, represent the Palestinians. You are collectivising a race.
Look, if an Islamic country will counquer Israel- I would be supprised if they won't frow us all in the sea as they promised.
So if they did give you "what you need" you submit that that might be tollerable? Bah! I expect they would give you the status you give Palestinians. Now there's something to think about. My point though is that Israel has stolen water and now Palestinians in the West Bank have shortages.
It's very interesting that you say communists should embrace Zionism. Many of the early Zionist communities were organized along socialist lines and still exist today. They are called kibbutzim.
Be warned:
Italian fascists called themselves "anti-capitalist".
Huge subsidies to create ongoing illegal communities in Palestinian land count as Socialist? This was socialism for the already rich. This wasn't socialist, it's strategic. As you would say if I defended Cuba:
"superpower" + "bankrolling"
These communities are artificial. Also, as sine29 said, Communists are internationalists. Zionism continues to persecute Palestinians and uses these people brutally as the Proletarians upon which all of the bourgeoisie is built. Subsidising does not equal Socialism.
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"If God punished men for crimes as man punishes man for poverty, then woe to the sons of Adam!"