- 28 Nov 2016 19:19
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Again, I am not trying to justify anything or otherwise make a moral argument.
Regardless of what you or I think is justified, US history is very clear that the significant acts of racism that have shaped US society are targeted towards of people in colour, and very often black people were specifically targeted.
Now, are you arguing that this history has no effect on the present?
I am openly saying that many social justice movements achieved widespread support and acceptance at that time, or became trendy among some of the youth. You seem to agree.
There is also the fact that these movemnts existed before the 90s. I do not see how anyone could disagree with this fact.
Thus, I fail to see what your criticism is.
I am not certain that the above claim is true, but even if it were, that does not contradict anything I have said.
Nor does it imply that anti-racism movements are "petit bourgeois".
To me, this seems more like a generalisation about black students rather than argument. Perhaps you could clarify your point here.
I have no idea what you mean by "your movement" as no one has discussed my movement.
If you mean BLM, then you seem to be predicting the reaction of people to this movement. I fail to see how this has anything to do with anything I have said.
And as I said, BLM is in a scenario where they are going to be accused of racism against whites, and they will simultaneously be accused of being nothing more than a movement of middle class white kids doing virtue signalling. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that you have accused BLM of both of these things.
There is a crack in everything,
That's how the light gets in...
Conscript wrote:There is no past context to make one group's discrimination different than another in a liberal democracy where all individuals have legal equality. You want to reference past history to justify actions in the now ad infinitum
Again, I am not trying to justify anything or otherwise make a moral argument.
Regardless of what you or I think is justified, US history is very clear that the significant acts of racism that have shaped US society are targeted towards of people in colour, and very often black people were specifically targeted.
Now, are you arguing that this history has no effect on the present?
Also you said they were white, I just suggested your use of a racial term like that was a tacit admission social justice movements of the 90s onwards were middle class. To you the only thing that distinguished them from the past was white people getting on board, which is objectively false but I felt it was an irrelevant point to make.
I am openly saying that many social justice movements achieved widespread support and acceptance at that time, or became trendy among some of the youth. You seem to agree.
There is also the fact that these movemnts existed before the 90s. I do not see how anyone could disagree with this fact.
Thus, I fail to see what your criticism is.
Black student radicals are also middle class. Regardless of race a student radical is probably petit bourgeois.
I am not certain that the above claim is true, but even if it were, that does not contradict anything I have said.
Nor does it imply that anti-racism movements are "petit bourgeois".
To me, this seems more like a generalisation about black students rather than argument. Perhaps you could clarify your point here.
Also it's a false dilemma. Your movement is going to come off as lumpenproles and middle class students. The only thing that mattered to the organizer though was white faces on camera. This is racism, not to mention your dilemma screams first world problems.
I have no idea what you mean by "your movement" as no one has discussed my movement.
If you mean BLM, then you seem to be predicting the reaction of people to this movement. I fail to see how this has anything to do with anything I have said.
And as I said, BLM is in a scenario where they are going to be accused of racism against whites, and they will simultaneously be accused of being nothing more than a movement of middle class white kids doing virtue signalling. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that you have accused BLM of both of these things.
There is a crack in everything,
That's how the light gets in...