[mordechaj]

http://www.newalliance.org.uk/nazieu.htm

THE OMINOUS PARALLELS : NAZISM AND THE EU
It's often claimed - not least by our opponents - that Nazis and Fascists are nothing more than extreme xenophobic nationalists, totally opposed to 'good' international bodies like the EU. In the words of the song, "It Ain't Necessarily So.""

The EU War Baby

Back in 1942, a book called "The European Community" was published. Its principal author, a Doctor of Economics, had argued in 1940 for a "Central European Union" and "European Economic Area" and for fixed exchange rates - EMU in all but name. In this book, he wrote that "No nation in Europe can achieve on its own the highest level of economic freedom which is compatible with all social requirements...The formation of very large economic areas follows a natural law of development....interstate agreements in Europe will control [economic forces generally]...There must be a readiness to subordinate one's own interests in certain cases to those of [the EC]."

A few further quotes may be of interest -"The Germans alone can really organise Europe... The future will belong to the Germans when we build the House of Europe...The Anglo-Saxon economic system, the classic national economy, is dead...It is important to establish a European Single Currency core in order to stand firm against Anglo-Saxon values."

I just quoted, respectively, Goebbels, Kohl, Hunke, and (in 1996) Belgian Finance Minister Philippe Maystadt. No, I'm not just indulging in cheap jibes or insinuating that all Europhiles are closet Nazis. Obviously they don't share Hitler's racial paranoia. No doubt they see them selves as good liberal-minded democrats. However, all totalitarian regimes stand for concentrating power in central hands. They're all prone to meddle in people's private lives and pursuits and to issue directives without properly consulting a free Parliament first. In short - the Eurocrats may not be totalitarians but they are totalitarian-minded in their behaviour.

After all discusssions on Pofo about future,past and origin of EU i decide to provoke a bit and post this one.... Moost of you guys who knows me know verywell what i think to EU /i have to say,not always i am posting is my honest oppinion and i dont agree with everythink in article i just posted/. So EU lovers, go on ,bring it on,your best arguments....

[Ombrageux]

The EU "meddles" a good deal less than a national government would. There are certainly some parallels between the unifications of Europe under past empires - Napoleonic, Hitlerite - but there are some fundamental differences namely:
- Previous unifications were done entirely through violence. The EU is a consensual project, any country is free to leave when it wishes and, even if the EU wanted to coerce, it has neither an army or a police force to impose anything.
- Previous unifications were entirely based on the subjugation of other nations to a specific national interest (French or German). Whatever one says about the role of France and Germany today, there is no comparable monopoly of power, it being diffused in the Council (where small states are overrepresented and Germany sharply underrepresented), the Parliament and the apatride Commission. To those who say this is a "German Europe" I also advise them to look at which way the funds are going.

[Cookie Monster]

Ideas about unifying European states through institutional cooperation existed long before the rise of the Nazi's and it is quite absurd to present the EU as the fruition of a Nazi concept or ideal.

[Section Leader]

The Nazis, and many other nationalist groups at that time, were in support of a united Europe, but they would most certainly not approve of the EU. The EU is neither Fascist, National Socialist nor Communist, it is a creation of international capitalism in order to better exploit the peoples of Europe. I am in favour of a united Europe of some sort, but to serve the European nations, not to merely control them.

[JCastle]

The idea of a united Europe goes all the way back to Roman times, however in its modern form there have been various short lived and ineffective groups such as the League of Nations and the League of Peace & Freedom. What made the EU more effective was that it promoted interdependence between France & Germany, and then evolving incrementally into what it is today. Trying to force too radical a model on a group of nations too quickly with no essential reasoning behind it rarely holds much weight in the political world. Or at least as I understand it.

[killim]

Yeah the Euratom was surely a Nazi idea