- 29 Dec 2004 21:36
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The south had been forming a different identity than the north. The south was agriculture-based society employeeing black slaves as their main source of labor, growing and importing cotton and other crops. Whereas, the north had developed an industrial-based society, excavating coal, and building factories with immigrants from Europe. And as these two different societies had grown increasingly difficult to find a common ground, especially after the British were kicked out in the Revolutionary War, the time had come to them to test their necessity to call themselves Americans, and they decided to wage a war to see if in fact their union was necessary
The American Civil War was a revolution because look at how Southern society changed after the fact. Instead of being on the top of the food chain, the whites had to share power with the former slaves. That would be a revolution in any case.
A total change in society (like what happened in the Southern US) could be considered a revolution. It may have not been the first motive given for the war, but it was successful in changing society.
The south was agriculture-based society employeeing black slaves as their main source of labor, growing and importing cotton and other crops. Whereas, the north had developed an industrial-based society, excavating coal, and building factories with immigrants from Europe.
he war was fought between the south and the north to decide which side was in charge of the American union.
And I have to admit, this site is rampant with so called liberals, revolutionaries even.
More like Social reform if you ask me,Ok, so wouldn't you say that social reform from the barrel of a gun could possibly be considered revolutionary? What were the changes in politics and identity after the war, or outward looking policies etc. The fact that a change happenned after a short and devastating period and a new entity emerged from an old one surely puts it in the 'revolution' catagory. It definately wasn't evolutionary.
More like Social reform if you ask me, and as a black person who's studied the impact of the Civil War on the South I would have to say that it was a quasi-Social reform at best, Whites and Blacks really weren't on equal terms in the South until after the Civil Rights movement.
Getting back to the original point of this topic, I want to point out that when the Great War broke out, the men all over Europe actually welcomed it, hooraying and saying things like we're going to kick their asses and so on. What does this tell? For one thing, men are a living organism, an animal. After a century of peace, Europeans took the news like they had been dying to hear it for a long time. This clearly tells me that men cannot go on without fighting wars.
Basically this also tells me that history is about wars. You talk a lot of social developments, art history, cultural history and so on, but I cannot quite say that nothing is important as war in history. Yes, the Germans during the times of Bismarck even boasted that war is a progress into a right direction, and mankind must wage wars to further advance their ideals and civilization and so forth.
And I'm at my age that reason relatively is the main source of function, and to read what those Germans were saying at the time quite frightens me, but at the same time, I find nothing that cannot reverse it. And what do I make of this? It's like I have to treat peace and war as one same thing. And no one will take this seriously, but to me, after studying history for a long time and having to come to my own ways of views, it's just better to ignore even some of the lessons of history and just continue with history. I don't even know what I can get out of this, but it just seems to me, there's just no point make something out of history and do something about how we can make our future better.
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