Preston Cole wrote:Why exactly would Germany not be able to wait? Like I said, with Germany's back covered by either the MR Pact or the Greater Germanic Reich stretching from Koln to Archangelsk, Britain has nothing to threaten Germany with. Quite the contrary.
There is nothing to suggest that Germany has won in east (if yes, how?) or MR pact will go indefinitely and USSR will want a German dominated Britain.
Roxunreal wrote:in which Germany doesn't war with Russia, and in which the US isn't militarily involved in European afairs, there is little chance that Britain wouldn't succumb to Germany in a few years, let alone of the laughable notion that Germany would be forced into renouncing its gains by Britain alone
Repeating same thing again and again won't make the argument any better. The point remains above is a meaningless statement unless you back that up i.e. how will they win?
The part about Germany not warring with Russia is key here, and a major game changer. Do you realise what vast amounts of military resources Germany had devoted to the Russian campaign, by far the most massive campaign Germany was involved in? Resources and troops that could have been used against Britain in Europe as well as in North Africa.
Resources on their own mean nothing. How the fuck (a question already asked but without any answer) are you going to supply those resources either in Africa or british isles, again magic?
Victories in the periphery? As Preston already mentioned Rommel wouldn't stop at El Alamein even in your wildest fantasies if the bulk of German forces weren't busy fighting the Soviets, and Brits already got their asses kicked by Japan in the far east.
Pay more attention, as already been told Germany can't support more troops in Africa, their supply lines were already thinned and they were unable to supply the tiny afrika korps but suddenly just because fanboys are wishing something, these things won't matter.
Blockade? Unlike Britain, Germany could rely on land routes. Again as Preston mentioned ore would be flowing from Sweden, and victory in North Africa would secure additional important oil fields
So now the magical superhuman Germans have secured Africa.
May be but only in your fantasies, until you come up with a plan that somehow neutralizes RN in Mediterranean and solves supply problem in Africa for axis troops, you are just being a fanboy making shit up.
Then as already said (a point which was left uncontested) UK can secure Norway and Sweden on her own simply because she rules the sea and can bring and supply more men and equipment to these areas compared to axis.
Meanwhile the U-boat fleet would slowly choke Britain in a far more effective blockade than the one of Germany you envision. And no it does not matter if Brits can build more merchant ships than the U-boats can sink, they don't have to completely cut off supplies and sink every ship,
And how will that happen, again magic?
U-boat never even came close to threaten British stockpiles of supplies, again a myth. When Britain went on offensive in Atlantic, it took three months to completely defeat U boats but then who cares for historical facts, if it doesn't fits well with the dreams of fanboys. But to dispell some more myths here are some bitter
historical facts "In all during the Atlantic Campaign, only 10% of transatlantic convoys that sailed were attacked, and of those attacked only 10% on average of the ships were lost. Overall,
more than 99% of all ships sailing to and from the British Isles during World War II did so safely." But suddenly now they are starving the British isles, such a leap bound increase in effectiveness can only be attributed to magic.
And air supremacy it would gain. As mentioned Germany built the first jet airplane (Heinkel 178) and fielded the first jet and rocket powered fighter aircraft in combat (Me-262, He-162, Me-163) and the first jet powered bomber (Ar-234), thus having more expertise in this field than rival powers.
Building "first" means jackshit here. The fact remains that every power had jet planes (and many better than german one) but they didn't invested in them historically as they were smarter than Nazis to realize that strategically more planes are needed and not faster planes.
Had they not used so many resources in the east battling with Russia, no doubt there would be more resources to go around to expand the jet aricraft numbers as well as perfect them.
no doubt? so basically this is your personal opinion just like the whole post and you can't back that up in any meaningful way. What resources used in Russia would had been spared for jet industry, please tell us. And why the fuck will Germany not maintain a strong army facing east even without the war, share that us with too.
Had they not used so many resources in the east battling with Russia, no doubt there would be more resources to go around to expand the jet aricraft numbers as well as perfect them.
Oh, please. The first operational jet plane was introduced in 1944 just as a morale booster and had no strategic value. At the same time every country had their own jet planes. Following your logic with no D Day to worry for Britain could also had funneled more resources to this Jet programe.
The Arado 234 jet bomber for example would only have flak to worry about above Britain as no piston engined aircraft could ever catch it or even get up to altitude before it is on its already back over friendly territory.
So, now you will ignore that Britain also had Jet planes and in this changed scenario they will use them too. Yeah, right fuck historical facts when designing fantasy scenarios.
In any event this would all contribute to eventual Luftwaffe air supremacy
Fantasy is fantasy.
Air supremacy over the channel would deal with the British Navy there and ensure safe transport of the invasion forces.
How the fuck this supremacy came into existence? Just because you wish so? Also let's see another historical example at norwegian campaign with complete air superiority Germany lost half of her invasion fleet and around 40% of the entire kriegsmarine surface fleet. But who cares for historical fact, this time they will simply do it just because fanboys wish for it.
But I love how you have managed to come up with a scenario where an entire air force has been neutralized of an industrial nation when the two nations involved have comparable GDP with Germany leading by a small margin of 1:1.2 in 1941 and UK having "home advantage" their planes are always under radar coverage while German planes are not.
As for conquering the island itself, pretty straightforward. Britain would be starved of resources and defended by a modest ground force while Germans would have a vast amount of tanks and troops (as none would be on the eastern front like they have been in reality) as well as the first and only ballistic missiles just as it did have in the "real" WW2.
Read some of my links first. Then, you gotta have no understanding of geopolitics to make a statement like that, that there will be no troops on eastern front. Because countries just leave their large borders completely unguarded.
Less video games and more real life books please.
As already said the germans didn't had the capability to supply more than 2-3 divisions on the isles, their plan involved no heavy equipment in fist stages, the tanks were supposed to close their hatches and dropped in 15 meters water just before the shore and make their way, I can think of dozens of things there going wrong.
This is my scenario, and it's far more realistic than yours in which a Britain facing all of the above somehow magically wins against all odds and even forces Germany to give away its gains
No your scenario is just fantasy without paying attention to any details. And mine has been detailed already and involves no magic.
1. Blockade of Germany Happened in both war. and to supplement it with more historical facts which you don't seem to be paying any attention to :
I. The British blockade of the Mediterranean immediately cut Italy off from 80% of its imports.
II. As 1940 drew to a close, the situation for many of Europe's 525 million people was dire. With the food supply reduced by 15% by the blockade and another 15% by poor harvests, starvation and diseases such as influenza, pneumonia, tuberculosis, typhus and cholera were a threat.
Both when Britain was alone but they don't matter and the puny U boats will starve UK, bias much?
2. Victory in Africa and Scandinavia : Simply because Britain can supply and maintain far more men and equipment in their because of her superiority in the seas. Your laughable notion that just because their is no eastern front German can transport these troops their is just ridiculously naive. Troops need supplies which Germany could not provide to her off shore troops.
John Rawls wrote:If 5-8 million german soldiers from the soviet campaign will participate in north africa(You know, where only 150-200k GERMANs participated, i dont think al alamein would matter that much. They could just walk over you in north africa and just march straight through turkey, iran and then into india without you even doing anything.
Of course as the ubermansch can obviously survive by eating sands and drinking their own urinals, food is for untermansch.
Also partial blockade of the british islands means total military collapse for the colonies. You know, cant fight those damn nazis with sticks.
Ah yes, when it comes to Britain supplies are making her collapse but Germany they are just supermen, how you fight with that logic.
There is simply no way Britain could EVER hope for peace with germany, it was obviouse that germans would overcome you sooner or later, even if all the brits turn into some heroes ubermench.
Fanboys will be fanboys.
I like their thinking i.e. their simply won't be any troops on Eastern front, they will simply make more jet planes more ships more merchant shipping, you name it and their will be more of it while other side will remain static without responding to any of the changes and voila there comes a victory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Atlantic#Assessmenthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_Germany_%281939%E2%80%931945%29#European_food_shortagesAt least read Wikipedia before making outlandish claims.