[Damien]

The champagne is now nicely chilled, comrades!;)

Turkey Seizes Ukrainian Missile Shipment to Egypt - June 3, 2004:

Jun 3, 8:33 AM (ET)
By SUZAN FRASER

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) - Customs authorities in Istanbul seized a radio-controlled missile and launcher as well as other weapons from a ship that was headed for Egypt from Ukraine, a government official said Thursday.

The weapons, which also included a number of rockets and warheads, were discovered in two containers after customs officials searched the ship that had docked at the port of Ambarli, 20 miles from the city, Kursad Tuzem, the minister in charge of foreign trade and customs, told reporters.

"The cargo declared by the ship's captain did not match what was inside the containers," Tuzmen said after meeting with customs officials and paramilitary police at Ambarli. "There were military weapons inside."

"We can say that the weapons are the kind that we can describe as 'sophisticated,'" he said.

He did not give any further details on the quantity, nature of the weapons or on the missile's range, saying an investigation was under way.

Tuzmen said the ship's captain had declared the ship was carrying spare parts. Officials became suspicious after noticing damage to numbers inscribed on the container, he said.

Asked whether the containers may have also included chemical weapons, Tuzmen replied: "The inspections are ongoing."

Tuzmen said the ship from Ukraine had unloaded the containers at Ambarli. Another ship was scheduled to carry the cargo to Egypt.

Reports said the ship's crew had been arrested, but Tuzmen refused to comment.

Port authorities on Thursday barred journalists from approaching the area where the ship was docked.

In Ukraine, Foreign Ministry spokesman Markiyan Lubkivsky said that his ministry "is in the process of checking all the relevant facts about the ship and its cargo."

Turkey has boosted security ahead of a NATO summit in Istanbul later this month which President Bush and other leaders are scheduled to attend.

Last month, police in the northwestern city of Bursa announced that they had foiled a plan to attack the summit and courts have charged nine people in connection with that plot.

Four truck bombings blamed on a Turkish al-Qaida cell killed more than 60 people in November in Istanbul. A court has charged 69 suspects in those bombings.

Mexico Seeks More Russian Military Ties - June 3, 2004:

MEXICO CITY - President Vicente Fox (news - web sites) says his country hopes to expand military cooperation with Russia, assembling some Russian helicopters in Mexico and importing a mixed civilian-military factory.

Speaking in the north-central state of Hidalgo on Wednesday, Fox said the arms issue would be "a principal topic" in talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites), who arrives Monday.

Fox said possible projects include "the installation of a large maintenance center for helicopters" as the first step in a plan to assemble helicopters in the Gulf Coast state of Veracruz.

The Mexican president said he also hoped to sign an agreement with Putin for a plant that would assemble heavy machinery "for the military industry, heavy machinery for the construction industry, heavy and transport machinery for various uses that occur in a dynamic economy."

Fox said that factory was intended for Ciudad Sahagun, about 50 miles northeast of Mexico City.

The president mentioned the arms plans during a speech dedicated to regional economic development. He did not elaborate on the projects.

Mexico largely avoided Russian equipment during the Cold War.

But since the collapse of the Soviet Union, it has begun to incorporate some Russian equipment — notably transport helicopters — which is less expensive than that from the United States.

"There's no smoke without fire" - Carroll.

[Goranhammer]

I sneezed, therefore I have AIDS.

I swear, there's always some kook with a conspiracy theory. P.T. Barnum was right. There IS a sucker born every minute.

[Damien]

I sneezed, therefore I have AIDS.

I swear, there's always some kook with a conspiracy theory. P.T. Barnum was right. There IS a sucker born every minute.

But why should the Russian military suddenly want to seek closer Mexican ties - à la Red Dawn - and Ukraine suddenly want to arm anti-American Egypt respectively when "the Cold War is over", supposedly?

[spacecowboynj]

Russia will sell anyone weapons, there's nothing special about Mexico.

[Goranhammer]

But why should the Russian military suddenly want to seek closer Mexican ties

Perhaps from diplomacy. Perhaps they were being sold. Perhaps to encourage trade. There are alot more feasible reasons than "Russia wants to destroy everything opposed to the world unification under Grandfather Stalin". You have so much hate that you're warping your "six degrees to separation" completely toward the annihalation of any country not bowing to Soviet structure. You may not understand why I'm laughing at you, but I'm sure plenty others are.

anti-American Egypt

What? You're joking.

[blackbeard]

The Russian Federation are just doing bizness .

They have enough on thier plate already , war with the US wont happen .

What we need to do is stop the fighting in Iraq . Cease fire now boys .

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[Siberian Fox]

This conspiracy theory stuff is probably better posted in international relations (or gorkiy park) than in the news forum.

This would be acceptable as news if the thread title had any relevence to the article posted of course.

[Damien]

Russia will sell anyone weapons, there's nothing special about Mexico.

Correction: They sell their allies some of their old weapons - weapons that will be of no more use in the coming war with the United States of America to determine whether capitalism or communism will govern the world for what remains of the Twenty-First Century.

What a stupid statement to make.

Mexico is also strategically important for the Russians, as it is an ever-United States-sceptic, anti-war, nationalist government at the helms in Mexican City can fulfil the role of what Cuba was supposedly going to do during the Cold War, as depicted in the old 1984 anti-communist patriotic movie Red Dawn, and attack the cripple United States from the south. They may also help out with the Chinese invasion plans.

But why should the Russian military suddenly want to seek closer Mexican ties

Perhaps from diplomacy. Perhaps they were being sold. Perhaps to encourage trade. There are alot more feasible reasons than "Russia wants to destroy everything opposed to the world unification under Grandfather Stalin". You have so much hate that you're warping your "six degrees to separation" completely toward the annihalation of any country not bowing to Soviet structure. You may not understand why I'm laughing at you, but I'm sure plenty others are.

I am just spreading around the good news that only does the Soviet Union still exist, but that they are preparing for war with America. This is great news and all Marxists around the world should be rejoicing at this particular time in history!:)

Yes, I am afraid that the nuclear annihilation of America is what is has come to. Those who continue to hold the whips to the backs of the workers are what has caused the Soviets and all of their other communist allies around the world to stoop so low as they have done today. But the "ends justify the means" - Stalin.

anti-American Egypt

What? You're joking.

President Mubarak of Egypt is truly a Janus-face character. On one level, he is co-operating with the United States over such issues as the War on Terror, trade, and Libya, but he is also a close ally of Moscow who is bowing to the angered Egyptian population and is slowly embracing anti-Israeli views, hence disregarding Sadat's true olive branch legacy. This is kind of like what China is doing with its general permitting the capitalist, free market, neo-liberalist ideology - except that this is certainly very much real though. I've said it before and I'll say it again: remember just exactly how Lenin's NEP turned out.

In fact, Mubarak was in Moscow recently, at the invitation of Putin, at which time he openly called for an end to what he called "the US-led occupation of Iraq". How's that for "co-operation" in the War on Terror?

Silly neo-con. The only Islamic Arabian country that this war will benefit is your puppet capitalist state - Saudi Arabia.

The Russian Federation are just doing bizness .

Communist Russia is preparing for war with their perpetual capitalist enemy United States. "Business" is absolutely the last thing that they are doing. After about 2006 no-one will ever do any "business" again.

War is war, my son. Business is business.

They have enough on thier plate already

Such as...?

You mean like finishing off all of the covert underground Yamantau Mountain construction to contain the Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian, and Siberian population during the Third World War? Or maintaining the deceptions in Chechnya, Ingushetia, Transdniester, and other such similar areas? Or perhaps even rebuilding all of those statues of Lenin and Dzerzhinsky in Western Russia and some of Western parts of Siberia just "becuase the war veterans like it"?:lol:

war with the US wont happen .

So May 2003, February 2004, and now also Summer 2004 were just all in my "imagination", were they?!

What we need to do is stop the fighting in Iraq . Cease fire now boys .

I spoke with you the last time when I was on this forum, didn't I, blackbeard? Back in the old "Putinist" days.

Read my latest piece to see just where exactly I stand on this one now.


Nyquist is wrong - the Western Left aren't tuned in - they have no idea!:eek:

[spacecowboynj]

Correction: They sell their allies some of their old weapons

They'll sell anyone anythng. Their most advanced fighter, the SU-27 operates in at least two other counties. As for "allies," that's the problem w/ Russia, their allies tend to be the most ruthless dictators and communist regimes around.

to determine whether capitalism or communism will govern the world for what remains of the Twenty-First Century.

LOL! Communism is dead in the water. It's the province of little tin pot dictators. Is China adopting our standards (little by little) or are we adopting theirs? Were pro-democracy students being massacred in Tianiman Square or were pro-communism students massacred, say, in Times Square?

Communism is dying out. Castro and Kim are about all that's left of it.

[Damien]

Is communism really "dying out"?

Correction: They sell their allies some of their old weapons

They'll sell anyone anythng. Their most advanced fighter, the SU-27 operates in at least two other counties.

True - but they also have their own version of the SU-27 aircraft. Don't be surprised if the Russians have updated versions of this model being secretly manufactured for war use over in the Urals or up in Northern Siberia, which they wouldn't share with anyone, even China(!) - until of-course the model is updated yet again.

As for "allies," that's the problem w/ Russia, their allies tend to be the most ruthless dictators and communist regimes around.

That's because they are still very much devotely Marxist behind the scenes, in spite of what anyone else will tell you.

What we saw in 1991 if anything was the strategic controlled collapse of state and cross-state Stalinism.

to determine whether capitalism or communism will govern the world for what remains of the Twenty-First Century.

LOL! Communism is dead in the water. It's the province of little tin pot dictators.

Have you even read my two famous threads: Important news on the future of global socialism from May 2003 and also now As the Western Left We All Have a Right to Know!?

Is China adopting our standards (little by little) or are we adopting theirs? Were pro-democracy students being massacred in Tianiman Square or were pro-communism students massacred, say, in Times Square?

Taken from As the Western Left We All Have a Right to Know!.

China.
As I explained briefly in my introductory piece, the Chinese general reforms of today are vacuous. They might seem real, a la the Gorbachëv perestroika case in the 1980s, but what is interesting as these reforms did begin slightly earlier than the aforementioned decade, in fact some analysts say in the period just after the death of Chairman Mao. A note on Mao: Mao was tuned into this monumental deception. Nikita Khrushchev, who was the President of the Soviet Union when the Shelepin Report was signed into official existence as a long-range strategy, informed Mao of the plans. That was most likely why Mao, when he was dying, appointed Deng XiaoPing as his successor, because he knew that Deng was a more liberal Gorbachëv-type reformer. In fact, unlike "Gorby", Deng had actually been a political prison under the midpoint of the Mao dictatorship. Fidel Castro of Cuba is also alleged and suspected of knowing about this, although your average Cuban Communist will likely have no idea.

So why did China follow the Gorbachëv path of initiating seemingly pro-capitalist national reforms? In continuing as officially a communist state but one which suddenly was to begin to show signs of making a "miraculous" capitalist conversion, they could claim international military aid, the main target of this obviously being arch-enemy the United States. As with the case of Russia, Washington fell for the Chinese wing of the perestroika deception. The Clinton Administration, to whom the events of Tiananmen Square meant nothing, presumably, sent some limited military aid and help to China, which did aid to build it up to the budding military superpower that it is today - communist, capitalist, or nationalist. As a result of this, many "TFPers" in the West - in particular the United States - are accusing the Democrat Clinton and his administration of having committed national treason. This is what I was talking about last time when I said that Clinton and Hillary were very Marxist-lenient, not Marxist-Leninist as Tovarish Spetsnaz mistakenly said. They were certainly very lenient politically towards true Marxists, but they did not at all sympathise with them. The other side, which is more widely known as is generally acknowledged by the Western Left and the Western Right alike, is from Russian supplying in the 1990s. But this was mainly older, more agéd hardware that was Soviets had in fact long discarded. Russia is not just "giving" all of its remaining Soviet technology to China to help them continue on the Cold War.

The endgame of-course for both Russia and China is the instigation of Golitsyn's "the scissors strategy", which, as I had earlier once explained and will do so briefly again now, is a situation whereby the two mighty Asian or pan-Asian communist nations would work as a giant pair of scissors - each a deadly blade. With the unknowing United States in the middle obsessed with "fighting terrorism", the communist blades would close, and the Communists would in fact take their very much belated honours of victory in the Stalinist Cold War again the West.

I believe this 100%.

Communism is dying out. Castro and Kim are about all that's left of it.

On the contrary, it is just about to take over the world.

Instead of arguing with this please will you just go back and read my two threads plus visit all of the links posted at the very bottom of my first post on the ever-linked May 2004 As the Western Left We All Have a Right to Know! piece. This will stop us just further going around in the same old circles. Thank you.

It will enlighten you - guaranteed.

[glinert]

Right now I sitting in my computer with lightning and bach fugue saying Haha evily

All going according to plan. Excellent.

No need to worry my American friends not worry at all.

No wait that me that not must worry

[spacecowboynj]

What we saw in 1991 if anything was the strategic controlled collapse of state and cross-state Stalinism.

No, we saw the protracted economic collapse of a nation that couldn't afford to play the superpower game any longer and couldn't hide that fact. It's empire imploded shortly thereafter and Soviets were run out of their satellite states.

[Communism] is just about to take over the world.

Hardly. In fact, the last 50 years of history have shown just the opposite. The fall of the Soviet Union, the loss of its communist empire, Cuba is failing miserably (as is North Korea) and China only survives by mixing it up w/ the capitalist business model.

Are thousands of Floridians annually risking their lives and imprisonment to cross fifty miles of water to reach Cuba? Negative. Thousands of Cubans are.

Are untold numbers of American girls prostituting themselves because they can't make a decent living? No. But women in Cuba are, as Castro made it a govt business and legalized it down to the age of 14! Even the UN was bowled over by this, and Castro's explanation was "Putas like sex." (Well if they like it Fidel, why don't they do it for free?)

Worse yet, thousands of North Korean women freely prostitute themselves across the border w/ China to escape Kim's nightmarish prison state.

When the Berlin Wall came down, East Berliners voted w/ their feet. After that came Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria and Albania.

Communism needs walls, gulags, force, and rules to suppress people and keep them in the box. This is simply not the wave of the future.

[Damien]

How "the Final Phase" works.

No need to worry my American friends not worry at all.

Being a right-wing American in the 2000s decade is just like being a Jew living in 1930s Germany. There is every reason for capitalists to be worrying now as the world and the Twenty-First Century will not be "theirs".

What we saw in 1991 if anything was the strategic controlled collapse of state and cross-state Stalinism.

No, we saw the protracted economic collapse of a nation that couldn't afford to play the superpower game any longer and couldn't hide that fact. It's empire imploded shortly thereafter and Soviets were run out of their satellite states.

If you actually bothered to read my threads and visit all of my links - which you clearly didn't - then you would know that it is some 94% true that the Soviet Union did not "collapse" - it just moved into the "stealth phase" of the Cold War. Furthermore, it's probably much more than 94% in 2004.:eek: The War on Terror proves that this is in fact now the most likely scenario that we are all seeing in action today.

[Communism] is just about to take over the world.

Hardly. In fact, the last 50 years of history have shown just the opposite. The fall of the Soviet Union

A Communist Party-ordered deception to ultimately cleanse the world of all forms of capitalism and install a world communist state.

the loss of its communist empire

With the exception of the three major Baltic countries, the Soviet Union is still run by communists - or, to be more accurate and hence to be more politically correct, "former" communists. Nursultan Nazerbayev of Kazakhstan was a Politburo member under Gorbachëv, as a perfect example of the truth of this.

Who rules over Moldova today?

Cuba is failing miserably (as is North Korea)

But both are still very much overly socialist.

and China only survives by mixing it up w/ the capitalist business model.

Golitsyn called this "the scissors strategy", whereby Russia and China are the two blades of the scissors of the communist world - which the United States has unwittingly wondered into by believing their blatantly false "reforms" - which will eventually close. I talk much more about this in my main thread. Golitsyn gave this phase of the operation about fifteen years to be fully executed, although that date - as are all dates for the Kremlin and the Beijing strategists - is fully flexible. But there is certainly an absolutely abundance of evidence that this is actually happening today. The Chinese reforms are happening - ultimately and entirely false as they may in fact actually be. Clinton fell for them. So has Bush.

Are thousands of Floridians annually risking their lives and imprisonment to cross fifty miles of water to reach Cuba? Negative. Thousands of Cubans are.

These people are traitors to Castro and socialism and should be dealt with both accordingly and appropriately. This is also off-topic; as are your following comments. They do not prove that Cuba and North Korea are "capitalist" in any way, shape, or form, whatsoever. But this really is for another discussion.

When the Berlin Wall came down, East Berliners voted w/ their feet.

Absolutely right - allowed to be torn down by the pro-capitalist, nationalist demonstrators. I talk in detail about this and why it could have occurred at any time after about 1980 in another thread. But understand that this was allowed to happen by the Soviet authorities, in the interests of long-term strategy (Shelepin, Sun Tzu, etc.).

After that came Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria and Albania.

Again - very true. But the secret police structures still very much control these countries. Romania though was a very unusual exception, what with the execution of Ceausescu. No, I am not suggesting at all that Ceausescu and Elena are still alive - they are not. To read more about what happened in the Romanian case:

Romania.
Romanian readers to my piece will no doubt be questioning how the overthrowing of their one-time Communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu and the execution of him and his wife in December 1989 will fit into this strategy, assuming that the rest of the revolutions in the Eastern Bloc were not real. Well, the Soviets needed at least one real or one genuine overthrow of a dictatorial regime in Eastern Europe to make the events seem real. Ceausescu, along with Egon Krenz of East Germany, both revealed that they had been approached by Russian agents in 1989 prior to the "conversions" of their nations to capitalism, asking them to step-down(10). Obeying, Krenz and his associates will allowed to both leave office and live. Refusing, Ceausescu and his family were all executed by the Romanian secret police. He stood in the way of the long-range strategy so he was hence removed from power in a rather unpleasant way. I believe this 70%.

Communism needs walls, gulags, force, and rules to suppress people and keep them in the box. This is simply not the wave of the future.

I couldn't agree with this statement any more than I do, and in fact this is an excellent question and one that I have never been directly asked before.

First of all, this is - or was - overt Stalinism, and not communism in its many other forms. What we are in fact seeing widely today - most prominently in Europe but I just know that you will very much argue with this - is in fact Leninism; or neo-Leninism to be even more exact. This updated, much-upgraded form of Leninism - first instigated by Gorbachëv during the 1980s perestroika period - involves major elements of:
-Democratic socialism - at least in the very early stages of the operation. I.e.: Schröeder in Germany - a truly overtly democratic socialist,
-Eurocommunist ideals - which are today being most unashamedly exercised by the major European leaders in Brussels ,
-Terrorism: the Trotskyist policy of attacking the West through non-communist movements - or what the recent GRU defector Viktor Suvorov called "grey terror" - which is the stage that we currently are most definitely at. I discuss this more right here,
-Gramsciism: the subversion of the West through the destruction of the culture. Just look at this week's music charts and this month's annual Turner Prize winner - as well as last year's - to perfectly and unquestionably verify this,
-Espionage and military sabotage: for this I would recommend Red Cocaine: The Drugging of America and the West, paperback, by Joe Douglass, forward by Ray S. Cline, published by Edward Harle Limited, London.

Don't go down the old Enver Hoxna road of "Eurocommunism is false communism". (Tovarish Spetsnaz can probably confirm this.). It is the new Moscow tactic to complete the World Revolution. But they do - and believe me they will - still return to the old Stalinist path of overt state aggression - what Viktor Suvorov called "red terror"; this being the overt political conflict between two states - and indeed they have had to following the unprecedented recent NATO expansion onto Slavic and Baltic Scandinavian land.

For much more on this area of the strategy I would consult Christopher Story's work and his journalistic publications.
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