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Mehmet wrote:Russia is isolated and Russia views Turkey as a breakthrough opportunity and reliable country.
That is the fact.

In your dreams perhaps. If Erdogan was ever stupid enough to consider this, he'd be 'tragically shot by a lone gunman' at some stage along the way.
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In your dreams perhaps. If Erdogan was ever stupid enough to consider this, he'd be 'tragically shot by a lone gunman' at some stage along the way.


We are talking about a Turkish state decision.
It is not one man's decision.
Turkey is not a banana republic like Ukraine.
You saw, protests brought Yanukovic down, but not the AKP
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Nor does Turkey exercise any degree of control or leverage over Saudi Arabia and it and the Anglosphere's royal Gulf poodles who are far more influential on the economic side of things and exercise a great degree of soft power through the funding of targeted mosques/education centres and Sunni religious institutions which undermine Russian interests in the Balkans (as in former Yugoslav lands) and domestically (Chechnya/Dagestan/Ingushetia).

Still, as Typhoon says, it's somewhat irrelevant to me which direction Turkey chose to go in post any hypothetical split with the North Atlantic leadership. Ankara's departure from the military wing and means through which international finance imposes itself upon the real community of nations it does anything but represent or aid would be more than most welcome - It would be a tremendous coup.

The further NATO can be whittled down, hopefully using the same rotten tactics they favor such as manipulation of internal divisions by outside powers (Russia being a perfect example), the quicker we can get away from the post-45 and subsequently the post-91 world order, and the brighter the future for NATO's core countries, particularly those in Europe, who are languishing under occupation by regimes created and designed to serve the private masters and architects of the NATO alliance.

It is as much a loaded pistol to hem them in, Germany and the "old" core in particular, as it is for destroying nations which have actually done well standing on their own two feet in exclusion from if not opposition to the imperial would-be universal global system, from Serbia to Libya.
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Atlantis wrote:For geo-strategic reasons nobody is going to ask Turkey to leave Nato. But Turkey is certainly going to be isolated in Nato. Which in some respect may be worse for Turkey than being kicked out altogether.


Exactly! I debated back and forth with another contributor on another thread about Turkey isolating themselves today. Geo-strategically Turkey is part of the heart of Eurasia (you can debate that too, just stating my opinion) and NATO does need Turkey as a safe haven as well as a staging ground. The Turks know they are very vital. That might be the reason they are reluctant. I also totally agree that isolating themselves might just be worse then leaving NATO.
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