[QatzelOk]

Why would a dictatorship persecute dissidents indeed? Like Pinochet, Cuba also persecutes dissidents, and this in present tense.

Now, many Cubans who are not persecuted still try to flee the island. Why?

The poor often flee their countries, and this has zero to do with the left-right organization of the country. It has to do with the material consumption per capita.

In Cuba, this consumption per capita has been stifled through artificial means for 60 years.

If all you have to offer this thread is "Cubans leave because Fidel sucks," then you are long past your "best-before" date. This Voice-of-America talking point was debunked, burned at the stake, and then laughed about... about 97 pages ago.

You must have been busy studying for an important Troll exam and missed all the information that followed.

[wat0n]

The poor often flee their countries, and this has zero to do with the left-right organization of the country. It has to do with the material consumption per capita.

In Cuba, this consumption per capita has been stifled through artificial means for 60 years.

If all you have to offer this thread is "Cubans leave because Fidel sucks," then you are long past your "best-before" date. This Voice-of-America talking point was debunked, burned at the stake, and then laughed about... about 97 pages ago.

You must have been busy studying for an important Troll exam and missed all the information that followed.

Indeed, it isn't about left-right ultimately but about good economic policy. Why is it that there's massive emigration from Cuba and not from Chile?

[QatzelOk]

Why is it that there's massive emigration from Cuba and not from Chile?

Why don't you buy yourself a computer, connect to the Internet, and research before posting?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_American_Canadians

1. Mexico: 80,000
2. Colombia: 70,000
3. El Salvador: 50,000
***
6. Chile: 26,000
***
9. Cuba: 18,000

Wanna explain to us how it is actually spicy coriander-flavored food that is forcing Latin Americans to re-locate, and NOT communism?

[wat0n]

@QatzelOk by this logic, there are 2.4 million Cuban Americans and 172,000 Chilean Americans.

[QatzelOk]

@QatzelOk by this logic, there are 2.4 million Cuban Americans and 172,000 Chilean Americans.

How many Haitians? (Did they flee communism in Haiti?)

How many Indians? (Did they flee communism in India?)

How many Bangladeshis? (Did they flee communism in Bangladesh?)

How many Irish? (Did they flee communism in Ireland?)

How many WASPs (Did they flee communism in the Protestant regions of White-Anglo-Saxonia?)

(Hint: none of these countries are communist, so the point that you repeatedly make about the communist system being responsible for emigration is noticably false and you should stop making it unless you are getting paid for content that has no real value in discussions)

Also, Canada took in millions of refugees (United Empire Loyalists) after the Revolutionary War. Does this mean the USA's system sucks? According to your weak logic of emigration=sucks, it does.

[wat0n]

How many Haitians? (Did they flee communism in Haiti?)

How many Indians? (Did they flee communism in India?)

How many Bangladeshis? (Did they flee communism in Bangladesh?)

How many Irish? (Did they flee communism in Ireland?)

How many WASPs (Did they flee communism in the Protestant regions of White-Anglo-Saxonia?)

(Hint: none of these countries are communist, so the point that you repeatedly make about the communist system being responsible for emigration is noticably false and you should stop making it unless you are getting paid for content that has no real value in discussions)

So Cuban communism isn't shit because some capitalist countries are also shitty?

[QatzelOk]

So Cuban communism isn't shit because some capitalist countries are also shitty?

In a political argument, it's important to distinguish between dependent and independent variables.

Otherwise, you could end up positing that rent prices are high in Manhattan because of the great bagels. If you posit this and you are the mayor of NYC, you could end up making bagel shops illegal in order to lower rents.

This is the folly of "not understanding how to build an argument." It is why Troll-schools like this one exist. To add value to people who build narratives without understanding some of the idiosyncracies of language and logic.

[wat0n]

In a political argument, it's important to distinguish between dependent and independent variables.

Otherwise, you could end up positing that rent prices are high in Manhattan because of the great bagels. If you posit this and you are the mayor of NYC, you could end up making bagel shops illegal in order to lower rents.

This is the folly of "not understanding how to build an argument." It is why Troll-schools like this one exist. To add value to people who build narratives without understanding some of the idiosyncracies of language and logic.

Which communist countries are taking in massive immigration?

[QatzelOk]

Which communist countries are taking in massive immigration?

Fail

[wat0n]

@QatzelOk it seems to me some capitalist countries are successful and others are not, yet communist ones - those who don't cave in and allow private property and the existence of large private businesses - aren't successful at all.

It seems implementing successful policies requires accepting a capitalist system, and then regulating it properly.

[Tainari88]

@QatzelOk it seems to me some capitalist countries are successful and others are not, yet communist ones - those who don't cave in and allow private property and the existence of large private businesses - aren't successful at all.

It seems implementing successful policies requires accepting a capitalist system, and then regulating it properly.

It seems. Is that the shit you write now wat0n?

Puerto Rico is capitalist and owned by the USA government, hook, line and sinker. The exodus out of the island is MASSIVE. Worse than the Cubans by a lot. Why? Isn't capitalism enough to keep Puerto Rico's economy healthy? Poverty is rampant on the island.

The USA solution for Cuba is having Cuba with two thirds of Cubans living in the USA? Because if you apply the formula for Puerto Rico? To Cuba? You have 3.2 million Boricuas living on the island and about six million living in the USA.

Why did so many Puerto Ricans move from Puerto Rico if capitalism run by the US government is supposed to be a great system and the solution to Caribbean poverty?

Puerto Ricans just need to pay taxes to the US government (which we do pay more taxes to the coffers of the US government than the state of Vermont does..see 2016 statistics on that...yet we still have high unemployment and everyone who is a working adult with skills needs to pack their bags and MOVE out of the island. Aren't they happy with the present capitalist system run completely by the US government? I thought Gringo liberalism and banksters are the REMEDY for all Puerto Rican economic woes? It does not work? Why not? The fucking Gringos are GENIUSES at economics....why is Puerto Rico bleeding Puerto Ricans worse than the Cuban EXODUS?).

Meanwhile, I say, let the US make Cuba a crypto currency tax dodger land and avoid paying taxes, and tax the Cubans heavily, not allow the Cubans a vote in their own land and make all the Cubans happier because they got some consumer goods and a car dealership in the Caribbean.

They should make Puerto Rico the 51st state. Even though the GOP does not want these furriners in their midst. A bunch of assholes they are Wat0n.

The Cubans say the sanctions are there because the US government says they need to remain there because of human rights violations.

The Cubans are Communist dictators. They need to not be able to do business and be normalizing relationships. First, they need to be like the Boricuas. Just obedient colonials. Pack your bags and go live in the mainland and let the Law 60 tax dodgers make money and defund the universities and the public schools, have constant rolling blackouts, and water shortages and high unemployment problems, and defund the public health sectors. Just fuck the island well, until the majority of the Cubans leave and the economy is in shambles. That is what the Cubans are going to have to accept if they want to have the US in control of their nation.

It is a great example.

Fucked if you stay with the US government. And fucked if you buck the US government. Fucked no matter what.

The greatness of US policy in the Caribbean. A shining star of SHIT!!

[wat0n]

@Tainari88 it's common and indeed normal to move within the US... What's your point?

[Tainari88]

@Tainari88 it's common and indeed normal to move within the US... What's your point?

You see this is when I think you are trolling?

Lol.

Doesn't the US government want to stem the tide of illegal immigration and having people rushing the border?

Most Cubans must have US-based sponsors to go and get a legitimate visa. It takes time and if the Cuban does not have the needed sponsor they can do the asylum-seeking shit through Nicaragua which allows Cubans to come in and springboard to the Mexican border.

The Mexicans also have a special program for Cubans.

So? The US has humanitarian programs they say. For Cubans. But, they are concerned about human rights violations. So if they are so concerned do not put a number that limits the Cubans. The entire island is being tortured by these horrible Communist government folk who torture, kill, imprison, repress and make daily life a living hell for ordinary Cubans. Let the 11 million go to the USA. Leave the island empty.

Lol. They can't do that Wat0n. They have to just pressure them economically and say how failed they are as a society.

Puerto Rico is a success isn't it? I mean Puerto Ricans are fucking rich. But, but, but, we make less than half of what the poorest fucking state of the union makes Wat0n. Mississippi is the poorest state of the union. It has a huge percentage of black people living below the poverty line and white rednecks also living below the poverty line. And Puerto Rico is half of that income? Why? They are supposed to control the island's economy completely. It has not gotten out of the hole.

Why?

Show the Cubans that if the American US government takes over your entire country and runs the economy you will have Cubans jumping for fucking joy over the GREATNESS of the economics no? They are not jumping for joy?

Why?

So, we get back to the original reason for punishing Cuba. It does not allow a neocolonial US intervention.

So, got to punish the Cubans. Hard.

Leave the Saudi Arabians with a lot worse human rights violations to be UNPUNISHED for it. And punish the Cubans for violations. Because let us tell the truth.

It is about CONTROL of Cuba and who controls Cuba.

The USA does not have the right to control other nations that are INDEPENDENT.

Accept that. Allow trade and allow open cooperation between Cuba and everyone else.

If the Cubans want what? The USA government to take over? Lol. Sorry, not even those die hard fucking Anti Castristas in Miami want to Cuba to become some colony of Spain, the USA or some third party anymore.

No one wants that anymore Wat0n. It is a failed policy.

The point is that the US government does not treat Puerto Rico like a state of the union. It never will.

It requires they share political power with the Puerto Ricans. That is not the reasoning behind neocolonialism.

The USA wants an Empire and it wants all the nations in the Americas to serve their interests.

That is not just. It is also a failed policy.

They have applied that pressure for years and the Cuban internal revolution has not happened yet. Why?

The American government keeps saying, the Cubans need to organize and take over Havana, call DC and then we sweep in and build shopping malls, and make money. Americanize the island. And freedom reigns.

Why not?

Well, it is not working. The example in Puerto Rico is a failed economic model. The neocolonial is not working. No one is happy with the current status. Not one single political party in Puerto Rico thinks that the present situation in Puerto Rico is so good that no changes are needed. Everyone involved in politics in Puerto Rico does not think the stagnation it is in currently is good enough to preserve. All of the island says the same thing. Can't keep the current situation in play. They are ignoring votes. That is DC. IGNORING DEMOCRACY.

And that is going to convince Havana, Cuba and the Cuban Commies to give it up to Washington DC because? The DC people are true democrats. They believe in the force of the popular vote. That is why Hillary won 3 million more votes for president but Trump became president. Because the Yankees are DEMOCRACY lovers.

You do not see the fucking two faced, lying shit hypocrisy the US government is talking about Havana has to be respecting human rights? When Trump loves little Rocket Man, praises Putin and loves authoritarian shit and spouts about being a dictator from day one if he wins? Yet, they want to say that Havana is torturing and murdering Cubans left and right.

Most Cubans complain about shortages and low wages. No one comes to Mexico talking about getting killed due to talking against a dead Fidel Castro that soon it will be almost ten years since his death....and travel restrictions have lifted. So where is the evidence of all this shit propaganda that the US government keeps telling people to believe in?

The sanctions have been in place for decades. Nothing has happened to move the needle with that. It is a failed fucked up policy. But they keep it in place because they just want to control Cuba. Let us control Cuba. End of the story.

It is a failed US government policy. Cuba would have not progressed with neocolonialism.

It is not worth it over time. It never is. That is the point.

[Tainari88]

@wat0n Cuba and Puerto Rico have a lot of history that is shared.

Think about these two little video clips:

https://youtube.com/shorts/4oHfB2Lp0us? ... 4zDJlhB0SY

All three islands Cuba, DR and PR were invaded by the US troops. Various times.

Why?

because they wanted to bring freedom and good times and wealth building?

Come on Wat0n. Are you serious with some of these trolly shitty ideas?

[Tainari88]

Cuban exiles from the Right wing all say the same shit over and over again. In Cuba there is no freedom. Dictatorship. Can't open a business. Can't do this or that.

Puerto Ricans never got full US citizenship that is constitutionally guaranteed. And that US passport comes with a price tag. You got to go and die for the US government. In wars that never stop. Nothing is for free.

So you live in a place that is the poorest of the poor out of all US states, etc half of what Mississippi makes. It is in bankruptcy. It has rolling blackouts, and mass amounts of people still do not have fixed rooves and these amounts of Puerto Ricans have had to go and serve in the US military.

How many Puerto Ricans have served in the U.S. armed forces?
Voices: Too Many Of Puerto Rico's Veterans Are Moving Away
At least, 375,000 Puerto Ricans are veterans or are still wearing the uniform. That is without counting the several thousand serving in the national guard units of the 50 federated states of the Union. Puerto Ricans are the only Latino group over-represented in the military.May 28, 2017

Puerto Rican women have been mass sterilized.

Eugenics and Reproductive Coercion in Puerto Rico
ÑAPA | April 28, 2022
Starting in the 1950s, Puerto Rican women were coerced into sterilization and used as test subjects in developing the modern birth control pill. They were targeted primarily due to issues of eugenics and were not given much, if any, information about either “la operación” or the pill and written off as “unreliable” when describing serious side effects. Ana María García’s 1981 film La Operación tells the story of the women subject to these programs which resulted in 1/3 of all Puerto Rican women having been surgically sterilized. Find the film here.

Author Quiara Alegría Hudes wrote a piece in The Nation about her own grandmother’s coerced sterilization, found here. Dartmouth’s journals feature an article discussing both the Puerto Rican case and sterilizations in Los Angeles, highlighted in No Más Bebés. Finally, the Dig History Podcast looks at the wider history of sterilization in Latinx women, including Chicanas and the important colonial context. Find that episode here.

People such as Margaret Sanger (founder of what would become Planned Parenthood) and Dr. Clarence Gamble (founder of Pathfinder International) were involved in the pill trials, which also brought up issues of informed consent. The Harvard Crimson has more information on the background of the birth control pill, and The Atlantic dives deeper into the team behind the program.

Corporations like Monsanto have poisoned many little towns with cancer.

The US Navy created depleted uranium problems in Vieques. Many Puerto Ricans have died from cancer including our children. What for Wat0n?

Then you got nice guys like Dr. Cornelius Roades using Puerto Ricans like Guinea Pigs. I have a lot of evidence of how low life they are Wat0n. What is going to be your excuse for their behavior? Be grateful for the abuse!! You got to just be grateful for ABUSE and LIES. No, that is not what life is about in this world. You got to fight for a better world and not believe a bunch of political shit that is full of shit. No hiding your fucking head in the ground from Chilean torture chambers in a soccer stadium. Or a bunch of these bombs dropped that give cancer on purpose. No. Can't let the stuff go unnoticed.

To SERVE THE INTERESTS of the EMPIRE.

That passport is not free.

But, we got to be grateful. because FREEDOM. because...the American government respects the Caribbean Spanish speaking islands. They respect capitalism and freedom.

No, they do not. They respect EMPIRE and GREED.

They can go to fucking hell. I have no respect for those low life fucking hypocrites using our men and women and land in order to take over the world. For who?

For a nation that allows a president to take power knowing that he had 3 million less votes than someone else because they are about some dumb ass sellout shit that has nothing to do with democracy.

You keep believing that crap and lying shit.

Come and talk to me in another 15 years if I am still alive. See if the pro Independence folks are the majority. And I can guarantee you that the US government is still going to be IGNORING the votes.

And when the shit hits the fan? Do not come with the bullshit of freedom....for all.

It is about Greed. And Empire.

For them.

And chains and slavery for everyone else. That is the truth.

[wat0n]

@Tainari88 nobody has said the US (or any other country for that matter) is perfect. But the US in particular is freer than Cuba.

Those right-wing Cubans in the US have fled a dictatorship, something Americans have not experienced.

[Tainari88]

@Tainari88 nobody has said the US (or any other country for that matter) is perfect. But the US in particular is freer than Cuba.

Those right-wing Cubans in the US have fled a dictatorship, something Americans have not experienced.

Does Cuba have a right to control herself? And not be controlled by a nation claiming to respect other nations' right to self determination but doing the opposite in actions?

The US is freer than Cuba? The US is not Cuba. It is a small nation in comparison and it has different history, different realities. Does everyone have to be like the USA? WHY DOES EVERY NATION HAVE TO IMITATE the USA?

England is not Russia. England is not the USA. Does it have to be exactly like the USA?

Do you listen to your self sometimes Wat0n?

The purpose of gaining independence for many nations is to have the right to determine your own political path, your own economy, your own social and scientific development. Period. Without being interfered with by nations who do not give a fuck about what is best for other countries. They only care about what is best for their own selfish shit. That is called imperialism. It is why Spain lost its colonies. France lost its colonies, and England lost its colonies in the New World. Being abusive.

Can the US understand that pursuing the same mistakes that England made in its history with its ex British colonial colonies in the Americas is a MISTAKE. You mistreat other nations and abuse them? You will get blowback.

You interfere a lot with countries in the Middle East with skewed policies pursuing the goal of petrodollar and being the sole superpower in the world. By constantly wanting to control the world without being just? You might get some radicalization and violence coming your way on your own land someday.

Have any of these stupid ambitious that turn out badly in human history ever end well Wat0n? Like the US telling England, I want to give up my independence and go back to being your colony? No one does that Wat0n.

You do not get it. You think the US government has a right to control and use other nations in order to be the one in charge of taking over the world via constant wars. It does not have that right. If it continues with that? It will end up a has been empire and some other nation will step into the power vacuum.

Stop making excuses for abuse of power.

Because it is never a good idea to abuse power in this world. The Kings and Queens tried that. And eventually the monarchies were replaced by Republican governments elected by voting.

The US is a flawed democracy. And it is an abusive Empire.

It is freer than Cuba. What should Cuba shoot for? Being invaded by the USA and not allowed to vote and having votes ignored in DC instead?

What the US government should be doing is not investing in wars, and beefing up its own society and making it safe, making it economically stable, and making life much better for all within their own borders. Then spending money HELPING others become strong economies in their own right. So that the desperate people do not have to leave and risk death and destruction because the lack of hope is so bad, that they prefer to be drowned in a river to continue to live with the uncertainty.

The American citizens do not want billions of poor people flooding the USA with crisis after crisis.

The US government has to learn if it builds itself up first and then is solid, and can then start help others achieve stability and sound government, you might have a shot at stemming the tide of poverty that makes people flee their countries.

If the fucking system of capitalism and US styled dominance were making people happy and prosperous? You would not have the issues you have now.

Right now you got an elite not paying taxes. You got corporations ruling the US political class. You got incessant investments in warmongering.

You call that a success? I call that a disaster. A US government made disaster.

They do not help Cubans. They through constant shit policies that FAIL for decades and never address the underlying problems....create more problems.

Why? Because their VALUES SUCK.

The end.

[Tainari88]

What is wrong with Cuba? You do not have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure it out:

A lot of things are not working. Do they have down to Earth solutions that work for those problems? The short answer is YES. You can solve it all.

But it requires a lot of work. A lot of cooperation. And a lot of freedom to allow Cuba to do business with EVERYONE without the US telling them who they can do business with.

Mexico is critical for the Cubans right now.

But Mexico can not do it alone.

Puerto Rico can't do it alone either.

It needs a currency that is accepted in all countries and it needs help in all ways.

So does Puerto Rico. Is it getting it? No.

Again, I think not aligning yourself to Cold War shit and picking sides, and focus on real pragmatic solutions for all people.

If you can't allow needed changes because the US has to squeeze the nations it does not agree with politically? How free is anyone to get real solutions done?

Puerto Rico is stagnating. It is not about Communist governments with piss poor economic policies and stupid repressions of speech or thought. It is about US imperialism from the 19th century that refuses to change its policies that is suffocating progress there. In Cuba it is about having to rely on systems that do not work because it isolates Cuba and also because the Cuban government is a bureaucratic mess of shit that does not solve what needs to be solved.

Can you have sustainable farming in both Cuba and Puerto Rico? Yes. Both of the islands should grow the vast majority of its crops for local consumption.

Cooperation is the key for ALL Nations if you want a good future.

Avoid war. Place human needs FIRST. Create an economy based on the needs of the local population. Tap local resources. Ask for help and investment that is well thought out and sustainable. Establish banking that WORKS for everyone.

All of it has solutions. What does not work is hiding your fucking head in the sand and not dealing with reality.

The US is not helping many nations get over their issues. It wants to control everyone using MISERY as a threat.

It is unethical and unjust. Those are rotted values. Not something to be proud of. But something to be ashamed of.

Why would any government love the idea of creating misery in other nations in order to control from afar?

Sounds like being a fucking Satan on Earth to me.

Change those values!!

[QatzelOk]

It seems implementing successful policies requires accepting a capitalist system, and then regulating it properly.

Yes, but you can't really regulate private businesses when they take over your government.

And your story about immigration proving that capitalism is great. Haiti is capitalist and yet... no one is moving there from Cuba.

And for regulating capitalism, yeah... let's do that. Let's get capitalism to stop burning down the world with fossil fuel pollution, extinctions, and over-population. And since capitalist nations absolutely pillage their own environements as they frantically seek quick cash, immigrants pour in to take advantage of the free-for-all.

That's why Germans moved to Argentina after WW2: to profit from the resource-extraction and financial free-for-all in capitalist Argentina. And then... Argentina's economy collapsed... like all exploitive economies that are improperly regulated (because impossible to properly regulate under extractive capitalism).


there's never been a better time to try to regulate capitalism

[wat0n]

Does Cuba have a right to control herself? And not be controlled by a nation claiming to respect other nations' right to self determination but doing the opposite in actions?

Sure, if Cuba wants to be a communist dictatorship it has every right to. But I doubt Cubans want that, especially young ones.

The US is freer than Cuba? The US is not Cuba. It is a small nation in comparison and it has different history, different realities. Does everyone have to be like the USA? WHY DOES EVERY NATION HAVE TO IMITATE the USA?

Who said Cuba HAS to imitate the US? It can follow other models if it wants to, or even just remain a communist dictatorship.

England is not Russia. England is not the USA. Does it have to be exactly like the USA?

No.

Do you listen to your self sometimes Wat0n?

Do you ever stop making straw men?

The purpose of gaining independence for many nations is to have the right to determine your own political path, your own economy, your own social and scientific development. Period. Without being interfered with by nations who do not give a fuck about what is best for other countries. They only care about what is best for their own selfish shit. That is called imperialism. It is why Spain lost its colonies. France lost its colonies, and England lost its colonies in the New World. Being abusive.

Can the US understand that pursuing the same mistakes that England made in its history with its ex British colonial colonies in the Americas is a MISTAKE. You mistreat other nations and abuse them? You will get blowback.

You interfere a lot with countries in the Middle East with skewed policies pursuing the goal of petrodollar and being the sole superpower in the world. By constantly wanting to control the world without being just? You might get some radicalization and violence coming your way on your own land someday.

Have any of these stupid ambitious that turn out badly in human history ever end well Wat0n? Like the US telling England, I want to give up my independence and go back to being your colony? No one does that Wat0n.

Sure, yet this doesn't mean one can't call Cuba's communist gerontocracy out and say it sucks. If you're outside of Cuba of course.

You do not get it. You think the US government has a right to control and use other nations in order to be the one in charge of taking over the world via constant wars. It does not have that right. If it continues with that? It will end up a has been empire and some other nation will step into the power vacuum.

Stop making excuses for abuse of power.

Because it is never a good idea to abuse power in this world. The Kings and Queens tried that. And eventually the monarchies were replaced by Republican governments elected by voting.

The US is a flawed democracy. And it is an abusive Empire.

No, I don't think the US has that right. The US doesn't need to liberate Cuba.

It is freer than Cuba. What should Cuba shoot for? Being invaded by the USA and not allowed to vote and having votes ignored in DC instead?

No. Cuba needs to seek her own freedom, even if the rest of the world can help her.

What the US government should be doing is not investing in wars, and beefing up its own society and making it safe, making it economically stable, and making life much better for all within their own borders. Then spending money HELPING others become strong economies in their own right. So that the desperate people do not have to leave and risk death and destruction because the lack of hope is so bad, that they prefer to be drowned in a river to continue to live with the uncertainty.

The American citizens do not want billions of poor people flooding the USA with crisis after crisis.

The US government has to learn if it builds itself up first and then is solid, and can then start help others achieve stability and sound government, you might have a shot at stemming the tide of poverty that makes people flee their countries.

If the fucking system of capitalism and US styled dominance were making people happy and prosperous? You would not have the issues you have now.

Right now you got an elite not paying taxes. You got corporations ruling the US political class. You got incessant investments in warmongering.

You call that a success? I call that a disaster. A US government made disaster.

They do not help Cubans. They through constant shit policies that FAIL for decades and never address the underlying problems....create more problems.

Why? Because their VALUES SUCK.

The end.

The US should indeed invest more in its own population, but you're wrong that it is somehow responsible for the economic disasters in Latin America. And the US does offer economic aid, but that alone won't solve our problems.

It is Latin America itself which has the primary responsibility for putting its house in order.

Also, American elites are far from perfect but are still preferable to Latin American ones. At least US elites are more open to accepting merit than the closed Latin American elites are.

Yes, but you can't really regulate private businesses when they take over your government.

Is there any capitalist country where this doesn't happen?

And your story about immigration proving that capitalism is great. Haiti is capitalist and yet... no one is moving there from Cuba.

Immigration doesn't prove capitalism is great. It proves communism sucks.

And for regulating capitalism, yeah... let's do that. Let's get capitalism to stop burning down the world with fossil fuel pollution, extinctions, and over-population. And since capitalist nations absolutely pillage their own environements as they frantically seek quick cash, immigrants pour in to take advantage of the free-for-all.

That's why Germans moved to Argentina after WW2: to profit from the resource-extraction and financial free-for-all in capitalist Argentina. And then... Argentina's economy collapsed... like all exploitive economies that are improperly regulated (because impossible to properly regulate under extractive capitalism).


there's never been a better time to try to regulate capitalism

Yet Germany itself did manage to build a well-functioning economy, at least the Western one. We can't say the same about that other Germany.