[ingliz]

they want to hire more 'people of color[sic]'

"the jobs the Native British people do not want to do."

It's getting so bad there that food rots in farmers' fields because they can't attract enough workers to harvest it.

Tens of millions of pounds worth of fresh produce is being left to rot in UK fields because farmers can't attract enough workers to pick crops, just as the cost-of-living crisis worsens.

— M. D. Albery, UK Worker Shortage Leaves £60 Million of Food to Rot in Fields, Bloomberg.com 15 Aug. 2022

Of course, you can point to many rational reasons why British workers don't want these jobs - Poor wages, workers in the wrong place, the Byzantine benefits system, etc. - but that doesn't alter the facts.

The indigenous population do not want to do these jobs.

[Tainari88]

"the jobs the Native British people do not want to do."

It's getting so bad there that food rots in farmers' fields because they can't attract enough workers to harvest it.

Tens of millions of pounds worth of fresh produce is being left to rot in UK fields because farmers can't attract enough workers to pick crops, just as the cost-of-living crisis worsens.

— M. D. Albery, UK Worker Shortage Leaves £60 Million of Food to Rot in Fields, Bloomberg.com 15 Aug. 2022

Of course, you can point to many rational reasons why British workers don't want these jobs - Poor wages, workers in the wrong place, the Byzantine benefits system, etc. - but that doesn't alter the facts.

The indigenous population do not want to do these jobs.

Ingliz, these National Socialists are a bunch of liars in general. What do they think? That all Black people in the USA or African Americans are dunces and never have the goods to be professionals?

You see how he insults me all the time with how I am dumb, never read a book, brown squawking, and I run around hating 'white' people all day and that is my only purpose for living? It is all LIES and bullshit. But they have to do that. They have to disrespect and dehumanize the enemy. I am a brown person from some inferior hordes. They can not accept that someone who is brown is intelligent, educated, and capable. No. They have to fit some fucking stereotype in their dumb-ass fear-frozen brains.

Then they have far right conservatives who are Black. Like Candace Ownes, they marry some James Farmer or John Farmer I forget who are from a far right pure white British lineage and have a bunch of kids one after the other. Mixed race children, proving that the far right thinking is not based on race only. It is about MENTALITY and VALUES.

They can't cope with so many contradictions and crap that blows their cheap ass theories about race out of the stratosphere.

But? Again, you are dealing with reductive thinking.

Why lie so obviously about what anyone knows is an outright lie? They have to do it. Their narrative is their commitment. Why be committed to bullshit your entire life? Fear. If we lose our supremacy as a race in a nation full of future not European origin people? We do not have the right to dictate at all. Let me cry. I have to be on top or my life is meaningless.

Fucking fools. Look for meaning outside of a stupid color. They can't do it.

[FiveofSwords]

The concept of race, and racial hierarchy is a useful tool for those trying to dominate others. It's one of the most potent of the various tools that can be used. Hence why it can get so ingrained in people like yourself.

You are changing the subject from one strawman to another. Ironic that you ended up making so many logical fallacies in the attempt to accuse me of it.

[FiveofSwords]

"the jobs the Native British people do not want to do."

It's getting so bad there that food rots in farmers' fields because they can't attract enough workers to harvest it.

Tens of millions of pounds worth of fresh produce is being left to rot in UK fields because farmers can't attract enough workers to pick crops, just as the cost-of-living crisis worsens.

— M. D. Albery, UK Worker Shortage Leaves £60 Million of Food to Rot in Fields, Bloomberg.com 15 Aug. 2022

Of course, you can point to many rational reasons why British workers don't want these jobs - Poor wages, workers in the wrong place, the Byzantine benefits system, etc. - but that doesn't alter the facts.

The indigenous population do not want to do these jobs.

You are so constantly retarded and in bad faith. It isn't like crap like this is hard to find https://www.cbsnews.com/news/best-buy-d ... ing-goals/

[Rancid]

You are changing the subject from one strawman to another. Ironic that you ended up making so many logical fallacies in the attempt to accuse me of it.

ah ok, so you are trolling.

[ingliz]

@FiveofSwords

Females make up more than 50% of the US population. From your story, Best Buy wants a third of their employees to be female.

Have they got something against women?

[Tainari88]

@ingliz when these two faced corporations start with one third of our workforce should be people of color? It means the top brass are all white as snow and usually male. They are going to hire some tokens to cover their ass. Tokenism is real. It is about how do we look in front of the Liberal Paradigm of DEI stuff that the liberal media and liberals think is the foolproof way of changing the system. It does not change the system. It is about just public relations. PR.

And these again Foolish National Socialist racists think that white people are being denied real opportunities because some unqualified Black person gets a job without having to qualify for it at all. It is stupid in the extreme. It is about companies who are almost always criticized for never having any people that are not white making tons of money and do not play that liberal rainbow shit music in their hiring and get in trouble with the liberals and then go and need to recruit some tokens. That is it.

As if tokenism is going to make up for 1865-1965 100 years of LEGAL discrimination against people who were not white being denied opportunities. All that bad history of sit in the back of the theater, in the back of the bus, do not drink from the same water fountains, no you do not get access to the same books as the other kids in other schools we have less money, and no we do not get to stay at that hotel or eat at that lunch counter. No, your Daddy fought in WWII and still can't go and apply to a police officer job because he is black and they do not want black officers dealing with arresting white criminals in a Southern town.

Yes, it is all reverse discrimination because some racist Nazi sees a token getting a job.

[FiveofSwords]

ah ok, so you are trolling.

Me pointing out that you are just making logical fallacies is not trolling

[Tainari88]

Me pointing out that you are just making logical fallacies is not trolling

Soon you will be reduced to trolling and evasion and running. You did it to yourself.

Do not blame others in here for the shit you do to yourself.

[QatzelOk]

This thread got off to a false start because no one argued against the terms that were defined in the OP.

I will take on the term "socially constructed" as mistakenly used by Five.

...Even if you are going to say some incoherent nonsense like 'race does exist but it's a social construct'...well then first of all that means race is a choice...so if you didn't want to be enslaved in the early us then simply do not choose to be black.

...

Race being "a social construct" does NOT mean that being dark-skinned is a choice. It means that the perception of "people with dark skin having a particular character and human values" is made up by people gabbing with one another. People talk to one another, and depending on their education and quantity of free time, they often come to very wrong (but convenient) conclusions. These often-false conclusions are socially-constructed.

I am tall. This is not socially constructed. But if we tall people decide to kill off all of the short people because "this is what the Tall God wants..." then we have socially constructed some very violent social norms.

Socially constructed NORMS. Socially constructed OPINIONS. Socially constructed BEHAVIORS.

if you didn't want to be enslaved in the early us then simply do not choose to be black.

And if you don't want breast cancer, then simply choose to not be a woman?

A lot of what we consider "women" to be is socially-constructed (fashion models, drivers of white SUVs, teachers and nurses, people who use a lot of hair products). In another society, none of these things would be features of "women."

And white plantation owners beating their slaves for having sexual relations that are not aimed at producing strong slaves... is socially-construced behavior. These fake rules will have a very negative real-world effect on the male and female partners (with dark skin) who have no right to chose their own sex partners, and this socially-constructed resentment will negatively affect lighter-skin people as well over time.

[FiveofSwords]

This thread got off to a false start because no one argued against the terms that were defined in the OP.

I will take on the term "socially constructed" as mistakenly used by Five.




Race being "a social construct" does NOT mean that being dark-skinned is a choice. It means that the perception of "people with dark skin having a particular character and human values" is made up by people gabbing with one another. People talk to one another, and depending on their education and quantity of free time, they often come to very wrong (but convenient) conclusions. These often-false conclusions are socially-constructed.

I am tall. This is not socially constructed. But if we tall people decide to kill off all of the short people because "this is what the Tall God wants..." then we have socially constructed some very violent social norms.

Socially constructed NORMS. Socially constructed OPINIONS. Socially constructed BEHAVIORS.


And if you don't want breast cancer, then simply choose to not be a woman?

A lot of what we consider "women" to be is socially-constructed (fashion models, drivers of white SUVs, teachers and nurses, people who use a lot of hair products). In another society, none of these things would be features of "women."

And white plantation owners beating their slaves for having sexual relations that are not aimed at producing strong slaves... is socially-construced behavior. These fake rules will have a very negative real-world effect on the male and female partners (with dark skin) who have no right to chose their own sex partners, and this socially-constructed resentment will negatively affect lighter-skin people as well over time.

But everything you are arguing is not that race itself is a social construct...but rather that people's opinions about race are. Those are different claims.

I am reacting to people who have been insisting to me that there is literally zero genetic aspect to race. That it is 100% a 'social construct'. Which would mean, of course, that there is no genetic clustering at all in humans. There are no idea identifiable physical differences between human populations that evolved on different continents, etc.

I am only saying that IF you insist there is NO genetic differences between various human populations (which I already consider to be absurd but half this forum is asserting this to me)...then you CANNOT pretend that any race has been 'oppressed. Because you cannot have any way to identify people of any race. Because there are no genetic differences.

You understand? I know it is crazy because their claims are crazy...but that is what I am responding to.

[Puffer Fish]

Race cannot be biologically defined due to genetic variation among human individuals and populations.

That seems like a flimsy semantic argument. Define the word "defined".

Of course it can be "defined". You know it, I know it. You're probably just going to claim it can't be defined because there might be small groups of people somewhere in the world who seem to be somewhere in between.

But that's as disingenuous as saying that the colours red and yellow don't really exist, because there's orange.

[ingliz]

red

Red is 'defined' as having a wavelength between approximately 625–740 nanometres.

but

How we perceive the colour of an object or material depends upon the wavelength content of the light reflected off it, the physiological structure of our eyes, and the nature of sensory processing in the visual cortex of our brains.

The human visual system is quite an imprecise measurement tool.

What you see is not what I see.

[FiveofSwords]

Red is 'defined' as having a wavelength between approximately 625–740 nanometres.

but

How we perceive the colour of an object or material depends upon the wavelength content of the light reflected off it, the physiological structure of our eyes, and the nature of sensory processing in the visual cortex of our brains.

The human visual system is quite an imprecise measurement tool.

What you see is not what I see.

That 'definition' of red is arbitrary. It actually isn't possible to have some objective reason for the exact wavelength which divides red from orange. But that fact also does not mean that red and orange do not exist. This is called a spectrum fallacy. It is a very grug logical fallacy and just like everything you ever say, it just does not logically follow.

[ingliz]

@FiveofSwords

So at last you admit that any definition of 'race' is arbitrary and subjective.

That wasn't difficult, was it?

[Rich]

So what if @FiveofSwords is slightly biased in his opinions, what if his categorisations are slightly inaccurate sometimes? Why are you so concerned about his views? What power does he have? Why aren't you going after the Ute with their 5/8ths blood quantum. These people are worse than the Nazis in their blood quantum demands.

[ingliz]

What power does he have?

None, he is 'an old man yelling at a cloud', according to @Fasces.

But then I am not going after @FiveofSwords because he's powerful. As I said before I am here for the laughs and @FiveofSwords posts are hilarious. It's not as if he can put his crackpot theories into practice; he's said as much himself. If he tried to implement the shite he's written here in real life, he'd quickly find himself serving a long sentence in a Federal Penitentiary.

And then I could laugh some more.

[Tainari88]

So what if @FiveofSwords is slightly biased in his opinions, what if his categorisations are slightly inaccurate sometimes? Why are you so concerned about his views? What power does he have? Why aren't you going after the Ute with their 5/8ths blood quantum. These people are worse than the Nazis in their blood quantum demands.

Rich, you have serious flaws regarding information about Native American Indian histories, languages, cultures and the reason why all the blood counting was done in many tribal governments.

One of the reasons is that Native Americans were often taken from their families and raised by Christian missionaries and white families. They wanted to KILL the culture and make sure it was not passed on. Over time many Native families never saw their children ever again.

There are many indignities and so on done in those cultures. It had to do with the non Native Americans. Most of what you write about Native Americans in the USA is not accurate Rich.

I tried to discuss Puerto Rican politics with you. You did not participate. If I thought you were truly interested in the reasons Utes do blood counts or some other aspect of the cultures of the Southwest that is Native American I would do so. But, you might not participate again.

It is not worth my time unless you are truly sincerely interested or you just want to reinforce your own prejudices and biases.

[Potemkin]

None, he is 'an old man yelling at a cloud', according to @Fasces.

[QatzelOk]

But everything you are arguing is not that race itself is a social construct...but rather that people's opinions about race are. Those are different claims....

Social construction occurs when people's opinions replace reality.

People form opinions by associating with others, discussing with others, and then forming friendship heirarchies with others. Sometimes a powerful voice in a group of tall people will say "short people are evil and must be killed" and the rest of the group "goes along" in order to reinforce group solidarity.

I have been in many organization where a quarter of the membership "goes along" with the loudest and most self-assured voices, even when they are obviously incorrect or when their "facts" change every week. Bullies can create a culture in this way, even if they are stupid.

And you also have things like "audience capture" where those primary voices that manipulate everyone are also themselves manipulated by their addiction to public reaction.

All of these social dynamics lead to incorrect socially-created information that is treated as a fact.

Add in the bonus jackpot ($$$) of winning the right to kill and steal from people who belong to inferior "races," and you have incentivized what was previously the result of socially-created ignorance.