[naked_turk]

1925, take over of Persia {Iran} by Reza Khan Pahlavi. The bastard was a racist Persian, but he and his son Mohammed Reza Shah Pahlavi modernised Iran.

Israelits were happy to be occupated by him: not only because of the fact that he freed Israel from the tyranny of Persia...

Are you forgetting the liberation of the Israelites from Babylonian tyranny by the Persians? They built you the second temple, they allowed you to return to Jerusalam, and they gave you complete freedom of religion, and self rule; this was not Tyranny. Cyrus the Great was even hailed as the Messiah in the Bible:

{The book of Isaiah}
(44.23) Sing, O heavens, for the Lord has done it! Shout, you lower parts of the earth; break forth into singing, you mountains, o forest, and every tree in it! For the Lord has redeemed Jacob, and glorified Himself in Israel. (44.24) Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and He who formed you from the womb:

'I am the Lord, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself; (44.25) Who frustrates the signs of the babblers, and drives diviners mad, who turns wise men backward, and makes their knowledge foolishness, (44.26) Who confirms the word of His servant, and performs the counsel of His messengers, Who says to Jerusalem, "You shall be inhabited," to the cities of Judah, "You shall be built," and will raise up her waste places, (44.27) Who says to the deep, "Be dry!" and will dry up your rivers, ( 44.28 ) Who says of Cyrus, "He is My shepherd, And he shall perform all My pleasure, saying to Jerusalem, 'You shall be built,' and to the temple, 'Your foundation shall be laid.'"'
(45.1) Thus says the Lord to His anointed [i.e., Messiah], to Cyrus -whose right hand I have held- to subdue nations before him and loose the armor of kings, to open before him the double doors, so that the gates will not be shut:
(45.2) 'I will go before you and make the crooked places straight; I will break in pieces the gates of bronze and cut the bars of iron. (45.3) I will give you the treasures of darkness and hidden riches of secret places, so that you may know that I, the Lord, Who call you by your name, am the God of Israel. (45.4) For Jacob My servant's sake, and Israel My elect, I have even called you by your name; I have named you, though you have not known Me. (45.5) I am the Lord, and there is no other; there is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have not known Me, (45.6) that they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting that there is none besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other; (45.7) I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things. ( 45.8 ) Rain down, you heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness; let the earth open, let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together. I, the Lord, have created it.'

[Maoz Zur]

1925, take over of Persia {Iran} by Reza Khan Pahlavi. The bastard was a racist Persian, but he and his son Mohammed Reza Shah Pahlavi modernised Iran.

Are you a Persian?

Israelits were happy to be occupated by him: not only because of the fact that he freed Israel from the tyranny of Persia...

Are you forgetting the liberation of the Israelites from Babylonian tyranny by the Persians? They built you the second temple, they allowed you to return to Jerusalam, and they gave you complete freedom of religion, and self rule; this was not Tyranny. Cyrus the Great was even hailed as the Messiah in the Bible:
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Yeah, you right. But Persia had it's good Kings and it's bad kings. Just as the Greeks which at first treated kindly to the Israelits, but later tryed to desecrate the Temple- and by that made the Hebrews to revolt against them. I still can't believe how our ancestors defeated the Greeks.

By the way, I think that the "Esther" story in the bible may interest you. It tell's about a Persian King who maried a Jewish woman without knowing it- and how that woman, Esther, later saved the Jewish people.
http://www.biblekeeper.com/Jewish-1917/esther_1.html

[Comrade Ogilvy]

Yeah, you right. But Persia had it's good Kings and it's bad kings. Just as the Greeks which at first treated kindly to the Israelits, but later tryed to desecrate the Temple- and by that made the Hebrews to revolt against them. I still can't believe how our ancestors defeated the Greeks.

Greeks? Don't you mean the Romans?
And how did Israelites defeat the Romans? Are familiar with the siege of Massada?

[RedStorm]

I think he does mean the Greeks the Isrealites rebelled against both the Greeks and the Romans.

[Maoz Zur]

Yeah, you right. But Persia had it's good Kings and it's bad kings. Just as the Greeks which at first treated kindly to the Israelits, but later tryed to desecrate the Temple- and by that made the Hebrews to revolt against them. I still can't believe how our ancestors defeated the Greeks.

Greeks? Don't you mean the Romans?
And how did Israelites defeat the Romans? Are familiar with the siege of Massada?

No, unfortunately the Israelits didn't defeat the Romans- though, they tryed to repeat the great victory on Greece. Israel was occupied by 4 ancient Empires: Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome.

At first, Babylonians exiled many Israelits, but later gave them to come back and to build Second Temple and gave them autonomy. When the Persians conquered Israel from Babylon, and after that Alexander The Great conquered it from the Persians. There was a whole story with Alexander and the Rabbi... But it's not relevant for now. Anyway, at some point0 the Greek ruler of then Antiochus, tryed to inforce the Greek religion on the Jews and desecrated the Temple(somewhere near 165 BC) The Israeli answer was revolt against the Greeks and in wich the Israelit kiked the Greeks out of Israel and Judea. After that was assigned a new dynasty of Kings- the House of Hashmonai which leaded the revolt. There were people who said that it was unlegal dynasty because they weren't the offsprings of David. The Golden Age of Hashmonai's Israel was in the time of King Alexander Yanai Hashmonai who conquered big Parts of Syria and Lebanon and made Israel to be Great Nation in the Middle East. He also made cooperation contract with small young country which was known then as the "The Roman Federation" and worked with it to stabilize his power against Greece. He didn't knew then that 100 years later "The Roman Empire" will much more dangerous enemy than Greece...

[Captain Hat]

They were occupied by five empires. You forgot Egypt.

[Liberal]

No, unfortunately the Israelits didn't defeat the Romans- though, they tryed to repeat the great victory on Greece. Israel was occupied by 4 ancient Empires: Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome.

What Greek empire? There was never a Greek empire in antiquity. There was Macedonian empire, founded by Alexander III of Macedon. It was not rulled by Greeks, but by Macedonians. Greece (the region, not a state, couse a state of Greece never existed as whole in antiquity) was part of this empire. If we take a look in the ancient sources, we can see that the ancient greek and roman historians didnt recognised Macedonia and Macedonians to be greek.
There is a question of culture of course. People often mix the terms:
Hellenic and Hellenistic culture. The first one is Greek. The second is an admixture of Greek, Persian, Egyptian, Macedonian and other cultural elements.
It was not the Greeks who defeated the armies of Darius III. It was the Macedonian army. There were over 10.000 Greeks fighting on the side of Darius III. There were 4.000 Greeks in the army of Alexander. If this was a greek conquest/...then....where was the greek army? On the side of Persia.

[Napuljun]

The turning point of Malta was when the Nationalist party won the elections (1987) and the socialist government under Mintoff had to cede. The worst day in our history.

[glinert]

In malta you people still consider yourselves to be really Knights sent away from Rhodes?

[hardcorerep102]

i actually have to agree with captain hat on this one, i believe the civil war just about redefined the united states. i tested the will of the government to preserve the democracy which i fought so hard for. new weapons including the submarine and hand grenade were first employed during the civil war which gave rise to the US leading the world arms development.

[Maoz Zur]

They were occupied by five empires. You forgot Egypt.

When Egypt occupied Israel- it was rulled by house Thalami, wich is from Greek orgin. I would count it as Greek occupation as well.

What Greek empire? There was never a Greek empire in antiquity. There was Macedonian empire, founded by Alexander III of Macedon.

You right. The Greeks didn't had an Empire of their own- they even didn't had a normal united country. Yeah, most of the conquers was made by the Macedonians. But still, Greeks counquered sometimes by themselves here and there- not as one united nation, but as independent Polises and different ruling houses. And also many of them they inherited from the Macedonians- as the House Antiochus inherited the territory of Israel.

[Liberal]

And also many of them they inherited from the Macedonians- as the House Antiochus inherited the territory of Israel.

Well, Antiochus was son of Seleucus II, who was a grate grate grand son of Seleucus I Nicantor, who was one of Alexander`s generals, and was Macedonian, not greek by origine.

[Napuljun]

In malta you people still consider yourselves to be really Knights sent away from Rhodes?

No glinert, but the Order of the Knights of Saint John came here after they were beaten by the Turks in Rhodes.

[Liberal]

What is the influence of the Knights in Malta today?

[Napuljun]

I am very happy they have no influence.

[Liberal]

[Napuljun]

huh ?

[Liberal]

What`s wrong with the knights?

[Napuljun]

One of their rules is that they live in poverty and they are extremley rich and live in palaces.

[Liberal]

Same with communists