[skinster]

Since the mainstream media is full of atrocity porn and typical Zionist lies in defence of the carpet-bombing of a concentration camp by the racist and imperialist settler-colony that sits on Palestine, known as Israel, I will post some reports here by people who don't get platforms on the mainstream media, for what should be obvious reasons.

You can start with these two as a way to see the other side of what you're no doubt not getting, and I say that judging by the posts so far on this topic which clearly demonstrates the lacking of that:

The Electronic Intifada have been reporting on Israel/Palestine for decades and are worth following for excellent reports from Palestinians, Israelis, American Jews and gentiles:
https://www.youtube.com/live/HcY2KlllgP ... fPjbJNYs2i

The Grayzone where most of the staff are Jews. The editor/owner, Max Blumenthal of the website, is a Jew who has spent years living in Israel and his book Goliath about that experience is worth reading by anyone who seeks to understand what Israeli society is like:
https://www.youtube.com/live/s602J5Sm3h ... U2SgV5RWbX

[skinster]

Two documentaries on Gaza:

The Empire Files made a documentary that shows the Great March of Return protests that took place inside the concentration camp, where Palestinians protested peacefully for the right to live free like the rest of us, away from their imprisonment and blockading from the rest of the world. This film shows that even when Palestinians opted for the peace option, that was not allowed; Israeli snipers shot and killed hundreds of Palestinians during these marches, including journalists and medics, and maimed thousands more:

This one is by Dan Cohen and Max Blumenthal about the destruction and aftermath of Israel's savage war on Gaza in 2014. It gives a great insight into the horrific life living inside a concentration camp.

[skinster]

This video is from an Israeli Jew whose father was a General in the 1967 war. His father genuinely expected a state for Palestinians after that war but realised not long after that the plan was never to have two states, one for Israelis and one for Palestinians, but to take the entirety of Palestine. Miko Peled below was not so aware of what was behind his upbringing but his sister Nurat was much more politically conscious and wrote a book about the racism in Israeli textbooks directed against Palestinians. Her daughter was killed in a suicide-bombing in Jerusalem which made her much more strongly opposed to the Israeli state, who she blamed for the death of her daughter. This death caused Miko to start his journey into learning about what was behind Israel and now he is 100% for Palestine because he realises he was raised on nothing but lies. This is a great talk about his experience and the book he wrote because of it:

Fun fact - A Jewish (previously Zionist) friend in NYC once debated me on Israel when we were at this party we met at in the Bronx. He told me about how he had visited his family in the West Bank and it seemed okay etc. We remained friends and I got him Miko's book, The General's Son, and shared the above video with him.

He watched the video and the next day he calls me telling me he couldn't believe what he saw on the clip and subsequently called his family in the West Bank to tell them to get out. I was like 'Damn, maybe you should've gone a little bit slow with your family' but he was so disgusted at how he'd been lied to for so long. The last I heard, he was still refusing to speak to his family there.

[wat0n]

No amount of propaganda will distract from the fact Israelis were right about Hamas: If they let their guard down, they get massacred, and their massacre gets filmed by the perpetrators.

Frauds like Peled, Electronic Intifada, Finkelstein, Blumenthal, etc have always claimed Hamas isn't what it really is, and their opinions are thus not to be taken seriously.

[ingliz]

Hamas

Of course, they are baby killers, but so are the Israelis.

Plucky little Israel chops babies' heads off with bombs, Hamas with knives.

Babies still lose their heads.

[skinster]

I made this thread (which Zionists are not invited to) at the request of a poster here who wanted to know more about Palestine and who felt like they weren't getting the full story. This thread is about the other side, which you won't find on your newspapers or cable TV shows.

Israeli historian Ilan Pappe reports on some of the mythology on Israel.

Max Blumenthal in this short interview explains the genocidal logic of the blockade on Gaza:

No amount of propaganda will distract from the fact Israelis were right about Hamas:

Which time? This time when Israel boosted Hamas as a counter to the PLO?

Of course, they are baby killers, but so are the Israelis.

Plucky little Israel chops babies' heads off with bombs, Hamas with knives.

Except the atrocity propaganda of "Hamas beheading babies" was never verified before it was splashed all over the media in the West and its front pages. It was made-up bullshit coming from an apocalyptic and genocidal Zionist. Israel makes up this types of BS every time it carpet-bombs Gaza, in order to justify its slaughter, because they know there is much push-back against their crimes in the West, so try to dehumanise their victims by making shit up about them like "beheading babies" or raping festival-goers where there was no rape.

[wat0n]

Of course, they are baby killers, but so are the Israelis.

Plucky little Israel chops babies' heads off with bombs, Hamas with knives.

Babies still lose their heads.

Not the same.

Killing a baby because it's being used as a human to shield rocket launchers is not the same as killing him after storming his home and killing everyone on sight. It's not that complicated, is it?

Also, lmao at @skinster whining over seeing pushback over her nonsense. Do you need a tissue too?

[skinster]

Norman Finkelstein here who is another Jew who fights for the freedom of Palestinians. Both his parents suffered the Jewish Holocaust but survived it (unlike their entire families on each side) but when he says NEVER AGAIN, he means for everyone, not just Jews. Here he talks about the very recent history of the blockade of Gaza.

This tweet quickly explains the colonised's narrative:

Also, lmao at @skinster whining over seeing pushback over her nonsense. Do you need a tissue too?

I was pointing out how you're a liar spreading beheading stories and also showed you how Israel helped Hamas grow and become bigger than the PLO on purpose.

This tweet includes the other two lies you and JR were spreading here:

[Tainari88]

It is terrible all the violence going on.

[wat0n]

As @skinster is well aware of, Hamas started as an Islamic charity in the late 1980s, had Israel decided to block any and all funds to Islamic charities it would have been accused of denying aid for regular Palestinians for ideological reasons.

It seems people would have complained no matter what.

Also, Finkelstein went as far as to hurl crap to Ilhan Omar of all people for saying massacring children is horrific. That's the person spinster believes is "decent".

[skinster]

Great response by comrade Norman Finkelstein against that dope, Ilan Omar.

Also good interview by Gideon Levy, Tainari. He is a brilliant journalist. I met him once, he's a very nice guy.

Marxists talk about freedom for Palestine here:

[Godstud]

“The object of terrorism is terrorism. The object of oppression is oppression. The object of torture is torture. The object of murder is murder. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?”
― George Orwell, 1984

No one is RIGHT in this. Hamas killed people to kill people, and for no other reason than that.

12 Thai people have been killed by the Hamas, and 11 Thai people have been kidnapped, in Israel. Hamas is a criminal terrorist organization.

Hamas are killers. Israelis are just better at large scale killing. They both deserve each other.

[skinster]

I’m personally a Holocaust survivor as an infant, I barely survived. My grandparents were killed in Aushwitz and most of my extended family were killed. I became a Zionist; this dream of the Jewish people resurrected in their historical homeland and the barbed wire of Aushwitz being replaced by the boundaries of a Jewish state with a powerful army…and then I found out that it wasn’t exactly like that, that in order to make this Jewish dream a reality we had to visit a nightmare on the local population.

There’s no way you could have ever created a Jewish state without oppressing and expelling the local population. Jewish Israeli historians have shown without a doubt that the expulsion of Palestinians was persistent, pervasive, cruel, murderous and with deliberate intent - that’s what’s called the 'Nakba' in Arabic; the 'disaster' or the 'catastrophe'. There’s a law that you cannot deny the Holocaust, but in Israel you’re not allowed to mention the Nakba, even though it’s at the very basis of the foundation of Israel.

I visited the Occupied Territories (West Bank) during the first intifada. I cried every day for two weeks at what I saw; the brutality of the occupation, the petty harassment, the murderousness of it, the cutting down of Palestinian olive groves, the denial of water rights, the humiliations...and this went on, and now it’s much worse than it was then.

It’s the longest ethnic cleansing operation in the 20th and 21st century. I could land in Tel Aviv tomorrow and demand citizenship but my Palestinian friend in Vancouver, who was born in Jerusalem, can’t even visit!

So then you have these miserable people packed into this, horrible…people call it an 'outdoor prison', which is what it is. You don’t have to support Hamas policies to stand up for Palestinian rights, that’s a complete falsity. You think the worse thing you can say about Hamas, multiply it by a thousand times, and it still will not meet the Israeli repression and killing and dispossession of Palestinians.

And 'anybody who criticises Israel is an anti-Semite' is simply an egregious attempt to intimidate good non-Jews who are willing to stand up for what is true.

If you look at the Western press, when Hong Kong demonstrators throw stones at police in Hong Kong, that’s considered to be heroism. When Palestinian kids throw stones at the Israeli soldiers, they’re called terrorists and Israel gets away with a lot more, with much less criticism in the Western press than any other country.

No one is RIGHT in this. Hamas killed people to kill people, and for no other reason than that.

What nonsense. Israelis killed 260 Palestinians this year alone, before last weekend. Israel kills and kills and kills and as soon as Israel's victims stand up, they're branded as being on par, despite the fact that Israel is the clear oppressor in this story since it won't allow Palestinians to live in peace by occupying, blockading and brutalising them daily. Re-read the words of someone who has visited and knows what he's talking about.

Hamas are killers. Israelis are just better at large scale killing. They both deserve each other.

And what about before Hamas's existence which only began a few decades ago. What's your excuse for Israeli genocide, ethnic-cleansing etc. before then?

Zionist brainwashing is a hell of a drug...good job I made this thread. Maybe you should watch some of the videos above before spouting nonsense. Israelis and Palestinians are not on a fair playing field, one is the oppressor and the other is the oppressed.

[Godstud]

Two more Thais working in Israel have been confirmed killed during the Hamas attacks, four more injured and another three abducted, bringing the death toll to 20, with 14 abducted and 13 wounded according to the Foreign Affairs Ministry.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand

Were they Zionists?

I never said anything was fair and I was not supporting Israel. There is no moral high ground that can be claimed by either side, however.

[skinster]

Two more Thais working in Israel have been confirmed killed during the Hamas attacks, four more injured and another three abducted, bringing the death toll to 20, with 14 abducted and 13 wounded according to the Foreign Affairs Ministry.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand

Were they Zionists?

What were they doing going to work in a country that occupies millions of people and imprisons millions more?

I never said anything was fair and I was not supporting Israel. There is no moral high ground that can be claimed by either side, however.

Yes there is. Here, watch all of this and get back to me on your thoughts about the racist Zionist entity after. It'll explain the history and the present, coming from an Israeli Jew.

[Godstud]

What were they doing going to work in a country that occupies millions of people and imprisons millions more?

They need work and are trying to make a better life for themselves? I suppose if the Thais had went to Palestine to work, and the Israelis killed and kidnapped them, you'd be more compassionate?

I'm not watching a video. I dislike Palestine AND Israel.

[skinster]

:eh: They need work and are trying to make a better life for themselves?

Would they have been comfortable working near Aushwitz concentration camps too? Because it'd be just as wretched.

I suppose if the Thais had went to Palestine to work, and the Israelis killed and kidnapped them, you'd be more compassionate?

The Israelis wouldn't let them in to do that. Thanks for demonstrating how little you know about this issue.

I'm not watching a video. I dislike Palestine AND Israel.

Then you're a fool who can sit in your ignorance, join the oppressors of this story...and take pride in it, as you are here.

[Godstud]

Palestine is not Auchwitz.

The analogy is fine. You just can't answer it.

Israel may be oppressors, but Palestinians are terrorists. Neither one is good.

[skinster]

Palestine is not Auchwitz.

Aushwitz was a concentration camp. Palestine is a concentration camp.

The analogy is fine. You just can't answer it.

What analogy? That you just learned that Israelis wouldn't allow Thais into occupied Palestine to work? You sound like those dumb celebrities who when questioned on why they should support the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign, say that they'll play concerts for Palestinians too to be fair. Then they're quickly informed that they would not be allowed to do that because Israels won't allow it.

Israel may be oppressors, but Palestinians are terrorists. Neither one is good.

Israelis are the oppressors and Palestinians are fighting for their freedom. Maybe you should read a bit or watch some of the videos above before talking complete clueless shit. Or tell me, would you be okay being called a terrorist if someone came to your home, stole it, raped your wife, killed your kids and when you hit back, you were called a terrorist? I doubt it.

The way people take pride in their ignorance even after being directed to information that might open their minds, never ceases to amaze me..

[Godstud]

Aushwitz was a concentration camp. Palestine is a concentration camp.

No, it's not. It is occupied, and I have always been against that, but it's not a concentration camp.

I said, if Thai people were working in Palestine and Israelis killed them, you'd probably care, right? Yes, or no?

If I hated my neighbours(who also hate me), I wouldn't kill people visiting them, unless I wanted them to also hate me.

If someone killed and attacked my family then I'd kill the people directly responsible, and not random people in the vicinity who had no part in it. Attacking the military would be entirely valid. Attacking people who haven't done anything, (including killing and kidnapping visitors to Israel) is not. To me, that's called terrorism. To most people it is called terrorism.

Now, that is not to say that Israel has not engaged in terrorism. They undoubtedly will do so in retaliation, and then I will call it terrorism when they do so.

If most Palestinians didn't want to eliminate Israel, I might feel a lot more compassion for them and their cause. How does kidnapping foreign nationals gain sympathy or support from people around the world?

Your name-calling is unnecessary. I am allowed an opinion on this even if you don't agree with it. Try an explanation or clarify what you mean, instead of attacking me. I am more than willing listen to a good argument demonstrating why you think I am wrong. I never said I was terribly well informed, as I abandoned trying to make sense of Palestine/Israel years ago.