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[Suntzu]

Kicking out the Whites certainly worked in Zimbabwe.

[Beren]

I also wanted to ask whether South Africa is becoming another Zimbabwe. I don't mind if whites get kicked out of there, but I wonder if they have a plan or it's merely political. Maybe Mugabe would be more popular than Mandela in South Africa if the latter one were still alive and active.

[Hong Wu]

I also wanted to ask whether South Africa is becoming another Zimbabwe. I don't mind if whites get kicked out of there, but I wonder if they have a plan or it's merely political. Maybe Mugabe would be more popular than Mandela in South Africa if the latter one were still alive and active.

Isn't it racist to say you don't mind if a group is kicked out of a country they've been in for hundreds of years because of their race? By this same logic, all of the blacks could be removed from America.


It is starting to look like the whites will be driven out. What I wonder is, how long will South Africa be able to blame white people for its problems once the white people are gone?

[Beren]

Isn't it racist to say you don't mind if a group is kicked out of a country they've been in for hundreds of years because of their race? By this same logic, all of the blacks could be removed from America.

Well, the blacks didn't start as colonisers in America.

[Hong Wu]

Well, the blacks didn't start as colonisers in America.

So you're saying people should be punished for what their ancestors did? And not even specific ancestors, but as a group or a class?

[Beren]

So you're saying people should be punished for what their ancestors did? And not even specific ancestors, but as a group or a class?

No, I just don't mind if colonisers or their descendants get kicked out of somewhere finally.

[Hong Wu]

No, I just don't mind if colonisers or their descendants get kicked out of somewhere finally.

How is that distinct from punishing people for what their ancestors allegedly did?

[Albert]

No, I just don't mind if colonisers or their descendants get kicked out of somewhere finally.

Are not Maygars colonizers in Europe?

[Beren]

How is that distinct from punishing people for what their ancestors allegedly did?

Punishment would be if they got prosecuted and convicted or something, but they just have to leave.

Are not Maygars colonizers in Europe?

And where are those they colonised and could drive them out legitimately?

[Albert]

And where are those they colonised and could drive them out legitimately?

Slavs?

[Beren]

Slavs?

What Slavs?

[Albert]

That are all around Hungarians.

(No but think about it Beren, you could have just colonized Slavs.)

[Beren]

That are all around Hungarians.

They have their own countries, but there are virtually no Slavs in Hungary.

[Albert]

No, but they were there before. Before Rome collapse that is; then Magyars arrived to brutally displace the Slavic people and colonize the land. It was Slavic land before.

[Beren]

No, but they were there before. Before Rome collapse that is; then Magyars arrived to brutally displace the Slavic people and colonize the land.

Nothing like that happened, the Slavs rather became Hungarians.

[Albert]

True, perhaps, but the principle Beren, principle is that you are colonizer. Just think about it for minute.

[Beren]

True, perhaps, but the principle Beren, principle is that you are colonizer. Just think about it for minute.

Even if Hungarians colonised the Carpathian Basin, there is no one who could legitimately claim Hungarians should be driven out of Hungary and replaced with someone else. The colonisers of South Africa failed to make it their real home, they always remained occupiers and aliens there.

[Saeko]

Punishment would be if they got prosecuted and convicted or something, but they just have to leave.

No accusation, no warrant, no arrest, no trial, no jury. Just people simply disappearing in the night under mysterious circumstances.

The Party approves.

[Beren]

No accusation, no warrant, no arrest, no trial, no jury. Just people simply disappearing in the night under mysterious circumstances.

The Party approves.

As I said, they just have to leave. If they don't, then they are "asked" to leave sooner or later, I guess.