[Pants-of-dog]

The only ones wanting a repeat of October 7, 10,000 times even, are the leftist pro-Palestine protesters. They've made it abundantly clear.

While Zionists and supporters of the status quo may not want to admit to themselves, Zionists benefit from such violence and also benefit from the conditions that led to the October 7 attack.

This is why universities do not want to divest.

[wat0n]

While Zionists and supporters of the status quo may not want to admit to themselves, Zionists benefit from such violence and also benefit from the conditions that led to the October 7 attack.

This is why universities do not want to divest.

"Jews benefit from being massacred".

I wonder if you will now go into full-on Holocaust denial and conspiracy theories that are common in the pro-Palestine movement too.

[Pants-of-dog]

Yes, Israeli society benefits from the killing of Jews.

Would you like me to explain how for a fourth time?

[wat0n]

No, Israelis don't benefit from being killed.

But it's a typical leftist way to blame the victim, like saying Jews benefited from the Holocaust because it led to the founding of Israel (not true either).

[KurtFF8]

But it's a typical leftist way to blame the victim,

You consistently blame Palestinians, who are currently victims of a genocide, for being victims of a genocide.

You also point to isolated incidents of objectionable speech at protests and claim it therefore represents all Leftists. Yet there are more incidents of pro-regime hate speech that doesn't count according to you.

The combination of your lies and your denial of reality makes it increasingly hard to take anything you say on this topic seriously.

[wat0n]

You consistently blame Palestinians, who are currently victims of a genocide, for being victims of a genocide.

You also point to isolated incidents of objectionable speech at protests and claim it therefore represents all Leftists. Yet there are more incidents of pro-regime hate speech that doesn't count according to you.

The combination of your lies and your denial of reality makes it increasingly hard to take anything you say on this topic seriously.

I am not blaming Palestinians. I am blaming Hamas for using their own compatriots as human shields.

Gaza's civilians are, if anything, the first victims of Hamas' government and have been ever since 2007 as documented by Hamas' use of the Al Shifa hospital as a torture center since at least 2014. It turns out that having a morgue next to it is very convenient.

Speaking of leftist antisemitism, as part of the demonstration against the screening of the Nova documentary and the support for the October 7 massacre, several museums in NYC were vandalized and so were the homes of some of their Jewish board members. These actions were called by Within Our Lifetime, a NYC-based pro-Palestine organization that is within the mainstream far-left.

[KurtFF8]

I am not blaming Palestinians. I am blaming Hamas for using their own compatriots as human shields.

The human shields argument has of course long been debunked

And it is Israel that kills those civilians. The idea that Palestinians are responsible for the military operations of Israel is a text book case of what's called "victim blaming"

Speaking of leftist antisemitism, as part of the demonstration against the screening of the Nova documentary and the support for the October 7 massacre, several museums in NYC were vandalized and so were the homes of some of their Jewish board members. These actions were called by Within Our Lifetime, a NYC-based pro-Palestine organization that is within the mainstream far-left.

What is antisemitic about calling to protest cultural institutions that invest in genocide? Your lie about antisemitism from the Left is shallow as usual.

Why do you have to lie so much?

[wat0n]

The human shields argument has of course [ur;=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l78dOLxt6_g]long been debunked[/url]

No, it has not. Hamas has been using human shields for many years now.

Palestinians use human shield to halt Israeli air strike on militants’ homes
· Hundreds of neighbours join first successful action
· Air force calls off missile attack to protect civilians
Conal Urquhart in Tel Aviv
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And then you have the leaked communications between Sinwar and his negotiating team.

And it is Israel that kills those civilians. The idea that Palestinians are responsible for the military operations of Israel is a text book case of what's called "victim blaming"

The civilians aren't responsible for that. Hamas is.

What is antisemitic about calling to protest cultural institutions that invest in genocide? Your lie about antisemitism from the Left is shallow as usual.

It is antisemitic to call to vandalize the homes of Jews, yes.

Or what, am I supposed to believe it's the first time leftists protest and - yes - vandalize the homes of board members of institutions they don't like? It seems they disproportionately targeted the homes of Jewish board members at that.

Why do you have to lie so much?

You could ask this yourself. Why do you have to lie so much about the obvious antisemitism in the left?

[QatzelOk]

"Jews benefit from being massacred".

Of course, this isn't true.

Only Libyans, Afghans, Yugoslavians, Palestinians, Haitians, Syrians, Ukrainians, and other throw-away-peoples truly "benefit" from NATO massacres - according to mainstream media.

Jews and rich WASPS do not - except in the fact that they make a lot of money off of these massacres, their every fortune beginning with a crime. Which is why they (the arms-dealing elite) don't get massacred as much as the other "less well-connected" groups that I mention.

Ordinary Americans and Canadians are also safely "massacre-able" just like Ukrainians and Palestinians are. And the massacre of these throw-away and hopelessly indebted schmoes would GREATLY benefit the arms-dealing usury-dependent elites.

[wat0n]

Nobody benefits from being massacred

[Pants-of-dog]

No, Israelis don't benefit from being killed.

You misread.

Israeli SOCIETY benefits from individual Jews being killed.

This is why IDF and Israeli government officials are doing everything they can to ensure another October 7 attack.

It is not antisemitism to point out that Israel, like any other country, cares more for economic gain than for its individual citizens.

[wat0n]

You misread.

Israeli SOCIETY benefits from individual Jews being killed.

This is why IDF and Israeli government officials are doing everything they can to ensure another October 7 attack.

It is not antisemitism to point out that Israel, like any other country, cares more for economic gain than for its individual citizens.

Israeli society doesn't benefit from having its members killed either.

Just because you want to blame the victim, perhaps wishing to be a perpetrator of a massacre yourself because of your resentment over losing in Chile 50 years ago, doesn't make your nonsense true.

[Pants-of-dog]

Israeli society doesn't benefit from having its members killed either.

Sure it does.

Look at the amount of land Israel has acquired over the last century through violence.

Thus is why Zionists want another October 7 attack.

[wat0n]

Sure it does.

Look at the amount of land Israel has acquired over the last century through violence.

Thus is why Zionists want another October 7 attack.

Look at the amount of land that Israel has given up to stop violence.

Like, you know, twice as large as Israel, Gaza and the West Bank combined.

That's on top of just leaving Gaza altogether even without any subsequent Palestinian commitment to peace.

[Pants-of-dog]

Look at the amount of land that Israel has given up to stop violence.

This is irrelevant if the IDF and Israeli government have continued the violence, which they have.

Are you magically going to achieve peace by giving up a few settlers while continuing a blockade, extrajudicial killings, and arbitrary detention?

Like, you know, twice as large as Israel, Gaza and the West Bank combined.

That's on top of just leaving Gaza altogether even without any subsequent Palestinian commitment to peace.

What are you talking about?

[wat0n]

This is irrelevant if the IDF and Israeli government have continued the violence, which they have.

Are you magically going to achieve peace by giving up a few settlers while continuing a blockade, extrajudicial killings, and arbitrary detention?

I will note this is in response to the continued attacks by Palestinian irredentists on Israeli civilians.

What are you talking about?

The return of the Sinai to Egypt.

[Pants-of-dog]

I will note this is in response to the continued attacks by Palestinian irredentists on Israeli civilians.

This just further supports the point that merely stopping settlements is not going to achieve lasting peace. While necessary, there is far more to do.

The return of the Sinai to Egypt.

Oh, so this is irrelevant to the discussion about Israel and Palestine.

If Israel had returned this land to Palestine, it would be an argument against how the IDF and Israeli government are trying to cause another October 7 attack.

[Sherlock Holmes]

No, it has not. Hamas has been using human shields for many years now.

It is a fabrication. Be wary of the press, particularly The Guardian, they are often full of opinions of specific writers not some neutral objective statement of fact. The claims about human shields is a lie just as the claim about beheading babies was a lie. It is called propaganda.

The Germans accused Jews of disgusting practices too once, it all helps to manipulate a gullible public, reinforcing stereotypes, when you embrace these lies and the public goes along with it, you get catastrophes like that that befell Jews during WW2.

[wat0n]

This just further supports the point that merely stopping settlements is not going to achieve lasting peace. While necessary, there is far more to do.

No disagreement there - it needs to be part of a broader agreement.

But, I think you can agree with me that it would be a good first step. After all, the worst case scenario, would be that there would be less contact between Palestinians and Israeli civilians, in turn making it less likely to see an escalation and allowing for a relaxation of security measures.

Yet the precedent from the Gaza withdrawal shows this would not by itself end the conflict. Even unilaterally ending the occupation itself doesn't really guarantee that.

Oh, so this is irrelevant to the discussion about Israel and Palestine.

If Israel had returned this land to Palestine, it would be an argument against how the IDF and Israeli government are trying to cause another October 7 attack.

How exactly is it irrelevant? It illustrates Israel has shown willingness to give up land for a commitment to peace, and that it is in fact possible for Israelis and Arabs to agree to live in peace and actually do it.

It is a fabrication. Be wary of the press, particularly The Guardian, they are often full of opinions of specific writers not some neutral objective statement of fact. The claims about human shields is a lie just as the claim about beheading babies was a lie. It is called propaganda.

The Germans accused Jews of disgusting practices too once, it all helps to manipulate a gullible public, reinforcing stereotypes, when you embrace these lies and the public goes along with it, you get catastrophes like that that befell Jews during WW2.

You can say many things about The Guardian, being pro-Israel isn't one of them

That is a press report, not an op-ed by the way.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Israeli society doesn't benefit from having its members killed either.

Of course it does, if you make some effort to educate yourself you'd soon recognize this. Since before WW2, Zionism in Palestine has been founded on antisemitism, it has been leveraged, valued, desired as a means to get financial support from the West. Therefore anything that can be described as antisemitism is an asset. If antisemitism was stamped out across the world, the Zionists would disappear, they rely on it, they need it.

This is well documented, do the research if honesty means anything to you.