[glinert]

I really not see many overwight children in Russia I think obesity cultural thing in America because you feel that to show your caring you must stuff your child with food and more food. In RUssia we stuff our child with guilt and guilt and more guilt.

I have heard you blame mcdonalds, not blame mc donalds, blame system of american child bearinig.

Children should not watch tv, go outside and kick balls.

[Ásatrúar]

Children should not watch tv, go outside and kick balls.

I will not go outside with you!!

[SpiderMonkey]

You can't talk about individual rights with children. The definition of a child means they are not yet able to make their own choices.

Kids don't choose their diet. They eat what is put in front of them. Also, they have no self-restraint, someone at some point has to say 'no' to them for their own good.

Glinert is right. We need to get kids outside more, kicking balls

[Political Interest]

No, children have the right to decide what do eat. And how will the State enforce this health programme which they will put fat children on? Furthermore, there are people starving in some countries and the big Governments of the world dont care.

[Korimyr the Rat]

You can't talk about individual rights with children. The definition of a child means they are not yet able to make their own choices.

Kids don't choose their diet. They eat what is put in front of them. Also, they have no self-restraint, someone at some point has to say 'no' to them for their own good.

Precisely. But this issue shouldn't be settled by putting over- or underweight children on special diets-- or by having any school official deciding which children are too fat.

The proper solution is to offer proper, healthy food in the schools, allow unlimited portions, and make physical education more rigorous. If a child is eating basically healthy food, large portions aren't going to make them fat, and most underweight children are underfed (or improperly fed) at home. Rigorous exercise increases the metabolism and builds muscle, which helps for both over- and under-weight children.

Anyone who can stay underweight in the presence of unlimited food and hard exercise has a medical problem, which is not within the power or the authority of the schools to treat.

[Comrade Ogilvy]

No, children have the right to decide what do eat.

Who gives children any rights, besides God?

And how will the State enforce this health programme which they will put fat children on?

Who were you asking?

Furthermore, there are people starving in some countries and the big Governments of the world dont care.

I agree, and I think you also agree that internationalist socialism would end this, or at least autarky, the former would do this by appropriating to the nations that need the food using altruism rather than interest (which is a key principle of internationalist capitalism). Autarky, is obvious to why and how it ends the starvation in the nation. However, do you agree with me that Socialism and Democracy are inseparable?

[STA]

Once I met a fat kid who said "It's my parent's fault for my weight, because they keep giving me the food".

That made me laugh at him. then he threatened to get me suspended from school for making fun of his weight, and i told him to do it, and he never did.

[Al Khabir]

They can get fat if they like. Just as long as our tax money doesn't have to pay to help them when tehy get heart disease. If obesity is about making a choice, they should have to take responsibility for their actions.

Child: May I please buy some candy?
Lunchlady: No, you're too fat!

I can hardly wait to see something like that!

[Korimyr the Rat]

Once I met a fat kid who said "It's my parent's fault for my weight, because they keep giving me the food".

That made me laugh at him. then he threatened to get me suspended from school for making fun of his weight, and I told him to do it, and he never did.

I'm glad you didn't back down.

People who make ridiculous statements (especially ones that eschew any personal responsibility) and then get offended when they get called on them shouldn't be catered to-- and they especially shouldn't be allowed to invoke authority for the protection of their self-pity.

[tuco]

In America there is an obesity epidemic, around 40% of the population of America is obese (over-weight), it is disgusting, its like they are infected with the plague, there are so many television adds, movies, books, drinks, and etc for these psychotic people.

If you tweek that statement a bit and maybe substitute "obesity epidemic" for "aids epidemic", it would sound like it came from one of the Christian fundamentalists you leftists hate so much.

Don't you understand that by using the State to push through your agendas and views on how the world ought to be run you are leaving the door open for others to do the same (eg. xenophobes, fundamentalists, etc)?

But anyway, children are not property of the State nor of its voters. If any action is to be taken regarding obesity and the youth, it ought to be by the parents. Heh, it'd be funny to imagine people demanding that the State impose a nationwide dress code on teen girls so they look like "ladies".

[Korimyr the Rat]

Don't you understand that by using the State to push through your agendas and views on how the world ought to be run you are leaving the door open for others to do the same (eg. xenophobes, fundamentalists, etc)?

That's the idea. We need less liberalism and more democracy.

[Comrade Ogilvy]

That's the idea. We need less liberalism and more democracy.

Democracy is a manifestation and product of liberalism! The substitute to Liberalism is Conservatism, which has always been tolerant of human suffering, such as in the eras of Slavery and Nazis the American Conservatives strongly supported them.

[Korimyr the Rat]

Democracy is a manifestation and product of liberalism! The substitute to Liberalism is Conservatism, which has always been tolerant of human suffering, such as in the eras of Slavery and Nazis the American Conservatives strongly supported them.

You are thoroughly incorrect. Democracy as a governmental system far predates liberalism as a political and moral philosophy, and the frequent conservative (and liberal) complaint against democracy-- that it is little more than the tyranny of the majority-- is nothing more than a recognition of democracy's illiberal roots.

The concept of "liberal democracy", as the majority of the West attempts to practice it, is that liberalism is a limiting factor upon democracy, restraining it from the perceived abuses of the tyrannical majority. My frequent lambasts of liberalism are based in my stance that these limitations of democracy wither it to meaninglessness-- as can be demonstrated by the pale, weak democracy of the United States.

[Comrade Ogilvy]

Democracy as a governmental system far predates liberalism as a political and moral philosophy

The first democracy was anti-slavery and internationalist, thus liberal. The first democracy was also anti-slavery-tolerant states, thus anti-conservative. The first democracy was the city-state of Athens which eventually united with other democracies in the region (balkans and asia minor). Do you deny the aforementioned?

[Korimyr the Rat]

Merely your reaching efforts to broaden the definition of "liberal". There is far more to liberalism than standing against slavery, and I would say internationalism is irrelevant to liberalism.

[Al Khabir]

which eventually united with other democracies in the region

They were forced to remain in the Athenien alliance by the threat of military force. I don't call that "liberal".

[Comrade Ogilvy]

which eventually united with other democracies in the region

They were forced to remain in the Athenien alliance by the threat of military force. I don't call that "liberal".

Please provide a URL link to a web page that proves that they the threat of military force to maintain the Alliance.

[Wilhelm]

Being fat is people's choice. If a kid wants to not be fat they should start exercising for themsleves, nobody should make them take "remedial PE". If anyone should control that, it's their parents, not the government. Also, sotp complaining about taxpayers' money. How much money is it costing one person to make a fat and crippled man able to ride the bus? I believe he has the same rights as everyone regardless of his physical conditions.

[fastspawn]

which eventually united with other democracies in the region

They were forced to remain in the Athenien alliance by the threat of military force. I don't call that "liberal".

Please provide a URL link to a web page that proves that they the threat of military force to maintain the Alliance.

The delian league at first was for the defense of greece against Persia. Athens as its head. Slowly the Athenians grew stronger, and used military force against recalcitrant greek islands eg Naxos and Thasos

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/ ... eague.html

Athens was a democracy. But in the Delian League it was a hegemony. Just like how the world is with US as leader of the "Delian League"

But Athens had a strong slave tradition too.

[Russkie]

Kids are ignorant and stupid...

adults need to fully control them....