noemon wrote:You can call it an anecdote to dismiss it but I think you know me well enough to know that I wouldn't be saying an anecdote if that experience was not particularly egregious, nor would I be saying these things about white privilege if I did not have a lifetime of privileged experience.
That's not an argument. You saying you have it, doesn't make it so. I suppose maybe living in a place where most people were white and living in poverty for almost 20 years might make me ask, "
Where is the white privilege?".
noemon wrote:Decades of white male heroes in movies, white tycoons, footballers, white formula drivers and so on and forth has imbued the entire global population with white male ideas of beauty, to the point that even Black and Brown populations treat White people better than they treat their own. This is so widespread, it's not even funny mate.
You do know that that's changed, right? There are black male heroes in movies. There are black tycoons. There are black footballers(NFL and FIFA). The best F1 driver in the last decade has been black. Some of the most beautiful women in the world are black/brown, and this isn't a recent thing. Hollywood is dominated by brown women who are called the most beautiful people in the world. This has been the case for the last 2 decades, at least. I'd say it goes back to the 80s.
noemon wrote:It is changing rapidly indeed as mixed people and people of colour have turned some of the tables, but these ideas of beauty remain imbued in the brain. It will take a lot of race-mixing, coloured heroes, and time for that to be overcome.
Only for a very few. Preferences exist, as well, and those usually individually based.
I have seen too many mixed marriages, in the last 20 years, to think otherwise. I'm in one. Most of my friends are in them, even in the whitest damned city in Canada(redneck Edmonton). Aside from some isolated locations, this is a norm, now.
I will agree with you that racism isn't GONE. It exists. It's still everywhere, but it's isolated. (I see it when someone notices I am married to an Asian woman, and then start the whole mail-order bride comments.) Sexism exists, too. This comes from men AND women. It's not ingrained, however, in society(i.e. Patriarchy/Matriarchy).
It is not, a systemic problem. There are few laws or policies left in the Western world that actually discriminate against people on the basis of sex or skin colour. It's more of an individual problem. Some people are bad, and judge others on their experiences, no matter how limited those experiences might be. As you well know, it doesn't take but one of those people to ruin your day, however.
@Rancid You can very much FEEL that white privilege exists, but that does not mean that it actually does. I don't doubt that in some rare circumstances, it might be present, but I don't think this is a societal thing, as you'd like to imply.
In the DR it's probably due more to a CLASS and wealth situation, than based on race. It's present in Thailand, as well. Movie stars and models are VERY white. It's a beauty standard. White skin being a sign of wealth and prosperity(i.e. They don't work in the sun). That said, black people are seen as VERY attractive, by most Thai people. I could not tell you why.
Rancid wrote:Personally, I think everyone should fuck everyone until we're all brown.
I'm cool with that, too.
“Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson
Some of us Godstud people think about things in our heads, as well. Yes, some racism exists in this world, and people say and do racist crap or sexist, all the time. People of all races and both sexes, do it.
Well, I'm not, and I haven't met any people like that in my entire life. Therefore, I dismiss your opinion, as being simply anecdotal evidence.
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