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Brazil’s Affirmative Action Law Marks Path for New Quotas
http://www.as-coa.org/articles/brazil%E2%80%99s-affirmative-action-law-marks-path-new-quotas

President Dilma Rousseff signed the university quota law, which went into effect on October 15.

Rachel Glickhouse

October 15, 2012

On October 15, Brazil’s racial education quota law went into effect, requiring federal universities to set aside at least 12.5 percent of openings for public high school graduates, as well as black, mixed race, and indigenous students. By 2016, public universities must expand the percentage of reserved spots to 50 percent. The law came on the heels of a major landmark: on October 10, Brazil’s Supreme Federal Tribunal elected its first-ever black president, Justice Joaquim Barbosa, who assumes leadership of the country’s highest court next month. With the law now in effect, Brazil’s government plans to expand racial quota programs; new plans include instituting racial quotas in public service and government-funded study abroad programs. Despite the law’s passage and a Supreme Court decision affirming the constitutionality of quotas, affirmative action remains controversial in Brazil.

Passed in late August, the university quota law is years in the making. In 2010, Brazil’s black population reached 97 million, becoming the majority and surpassing the country’s white population of 91 million. However, black high school students often attend schools that lack the structure or quality of their white peers, as an Americas Quarterly report found—even those who attend private schools. This puts students at a disadvantage when they take university entrance exams, since they tend to get lower scores. As a result of these inequities, public universities began introducing racial quotas in 2004, with the University of Brasilia the first to reserve spots for black students. In April, Brazil’s Supreme Court ruled that racial quotas are constitutional. However, 27 of Brazil’s 59 federal universities currently lack any form of quota system. Only 25 federal universities have quotas for black and indigenous students. Discussing the new law on Monday, President Dilma Rousseff said: “This law contributes to repaying Brazil’s historic debt to our poorest youth.”

The law counts among one of several government initiatives to expand opportunities for black citizens. On Monday, Folha de São Paulo reported that the Brazilian government plans to announce a plan in November to create racial quotas for public service. The plan would set aside 30 percent of federal public service jobs for black employees, as well as offering financial incentives for private sector companies to hire black applicants. In addition, the measure would punish companies that discriminate based on race, such as banning them from government auctions. Plans for similar inclusion measures run the gamut from incentives for black cultural production to racial quotas for Science without Borders—a federal scholarship program to send university students abroad.

However, racial quotas have inspired controversy in Brazil. Opponents argue that public universities should continue to be merit based, since students gain entry through competitive admissions exams. Those opposed to quotas also say that affirmative action won’t solve the problem and will simply allow under-qualified students admission to top universities while qualified students are denied entry. “The urgent problem for Brazilian universities is to improve the level [of education], and not solve racial discrimination problems nor correct ‘historic responsibilities’ that can only be resolved through economic progress and basic education,” wrote José Goldemberg, a former education minister. Finally, opponents claim that poor students are disadvantaged regardless of race. “These problems reach not only black and mixed-race youth, but also white students who, due to their socioeconomic level, are equally excluded from the opportunity to study at private primary schools that offer a better education,” a Gazeta do Povo editorial explained. Rousseff noted on Monday that other university programs help students gain access to a college education, including the University for All program, which provides partial and full scholarships to low-income students, as well as a financing program to help students pay for private universities.


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Brazil is turning into a weird blend of South Africa and the US, with a pinch of Zimbabwe.
There are already socialist groups claiming that race quotas should be as well implemented in general elections, but something like that can seriously harm democracy, because white contestants will be silenced and barred from participating in elections just to ensure that "reparations for slavery" (which ended in 1888) are made.

We obviously know that Brazilian (white) socialists are just trying to divide society and pit groups against each other. The Far-Right and the Far-Left (always them) have never accepted the fact that people from all colors and faiths live together harmoniously in Brazil.
They want (and will) destroy the best thing this country has: tolerance between different groups.
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Sorry to resurrect the topic, but I wanted to give my opinion.
I am Brazilian, I live here and this issue was discussed last year, you see, I am opposed to the current government, but I think at this point they are right, black people since they got rid of slavery, the government did not care them and they went to the slums and NOT have the same opportunities as whites. Doing so blacks will integrate faster into society. As quotas for public high school, they are also necessary to reduce gaps between rich and poor, which only increase with the poor quality that they have, but the odds may not be permanent, public schools have to improve to the quota system becomes unnecessary, which is not happening.
Sorry for bad english.
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Maybe a better solution is to create a scholarship program for the needy. I'm an ex refugee who fled from Cuba and when I arrived in the USA I had $8 USD. Eventually I went to the university but it was a real struggle to survive. Sometimes I ran out of food and had to go fishing to supplement what I got at the school cafeteria.

Anyway, it's not like I'm saying everybody who is broke should get handouts, but I saw some heart breakers like a fairly poor guy who was in school with me who got in a car accident and had to drop out in his junior year. I'm sure with a bit of help he would have made it.

So, as an alternative, why not fund a colorless system to boost poor students? Since there are more poor blacks, it will work out in the long term. And the idea of racial quotas really bugs me. I have a daughter who is smart, tall, blonde, and uses the fact that she's "Hispanic" to get ahead. She says its dog eat dog, and it's like the ethanol subsidy...if rich white farmers from the Midwest get richer bleeding the tax payer then she's going to call herself Hispanic and get ahead.

I think it's a shame what goes on is wrong. You know what's next? They'll have to pass laws in brazil defining what's the genetic haplotype that qualifies a person as being black. Disgusting eugenics shit, I say.
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Only in a truly upside-down world, is deliberately trying to include black people, now seen as an 'apartheid-era policy'. Really, do any of you know what apartheid actually is?

Apartheid means segregation, it means excluding people, and sending them to different schools.
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Social_Critic wrote:So, as an alternative, why not fund a colorless system to boost poor students?

Actually, the quota works for the booth color, but more percent to black and indigenous people. Let me explain, to those who study public school X has a number of university places, into this number X, other value is for blacks, that I think it's 50%.
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Rei Murasame wrote:Only in a truly upside-down world, is deliberately trying to include black people, now seen as an 'apartheid-era policy'. Really, do any of you know what apartheid actually is?

Apartheid means segregation, it means excluding people, and sending them to different schools.


No, here black and white study on the same place.
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Eisleben wrote:At least for a while, Brazil enjoyed one of the world's strongest economies. That's coming to an end.

Yes, we had everything to be strongest, grow fast and faster but a corrupt goverment put it all to the ground :(
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Apartheid means segregation, it means excluding people, and sending them to different schools.


Yes, and this is exactly what is happening!

Take this girl's story, named Bruna Carolina Rocco (who is poor).

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I would like to emphasize again: she is poor. Her family makes only 1500 dollars per month.
Yet she was segregated and will have to choose another University only because she is "too white" to be admitted.
This is apartheid, the only difference is that "white" people are the ones suffering persecution now.

The source is here (in portuguese):
http://veja.abril.com.br/noticia/educacao/os-dramas-e-as-alegrias-de-familias-afetadas-pelas-cotas

Only in a truly upside-down world, is deliberately trying to include black people, now seen as an 'apartheid-era policy'.


Would you support something like that in your country?
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Soulflytribe wrote:I would like to emphasize again: she is poor. Her family makes only 1500 dollars per month.


How much's that on Brazil? 'Cause plenty working class families in Spain gotta survive with 1400-1600 EUR a month, and I'm pretty sure the costs of living are higher in Spain than on Brazil.

And they look decidedly middle-class.
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KlassWar wrote:
How much's that on Brazil? 'Cause plenty working class families in Spain gotta survive with 1400-1600 EUR a month, and I'm pretty sure the costs of living are higher in Spain than on Brazil.

And they look decidedly middle-class.


Brazil is a lot more expensive than Spain.
From cars to electricity. Electronics have half the price. Taxes too are much lower in Spain.
We always try to buy everything we can when we travel abroad. Not because it's not available here, but because it's a lot cheaper.
See: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/28/us/miami-courts-free-spending-brazilians.html?_r=0

And that poor Spanish family you've mentioned can still enrol their children at good public Universities if they have good grades. Thus, climbing the social ladder. Here this is not the case anymore.
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Well Rio, if the quota works for both sides but it discrimates against one group to favor the other. It's a racist policy by definition. And I did ask seriously, are they going to use DNA sequencing or some sort of reflectance meter to decide who's what "race" :)
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Social_Critic wrote:Well Rio, if the quota works for both sides but it discrimates against one group to favor the other. It's a racist policy by definition. And I did ask seriously, are they going to use DNA sequencing or some sort of reflectance meter to decide who's what "race" :)


S_C, a famous journalist here made a joke saying that we would have to resuscitate Joseph Mengele if we trully want to avoid injustices and do this right.

But to answer your question:
We are not using DNA sequencing yet, but we do have a "racial court" where some "race specialists" (the nazis must be proud) vote about someone being white or black based on the phenotype. Then, they sum all the the votes and find a verdict.
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No shit. That's bizarre. Imagine the way it's going to work ,people getting plastic surgery to pass as Afros.

I think whites should have their DNA tested. There's always hope they had an African or Amerindian ancestor. I know a very tall Spanish red hair who lives on the floor below me, lily white chick. Parents from northern spain. As it turns out her mDNA is X haplotype, most common with North American Indians, Na Dene speakers , I believe.
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Soulflytribe wrote:Yet she was segregated and will have to choose another University only because she is "too white" to be admitted.

This is apartheid, the only difference is that "white" people are the ones suffering persecution now.

So you mean it's kind of not apartheid at all, then?

Soulflytribe wrote:Would you support something like that in your country?

Do you really want to know my answer? You guys have made this conversation impossible to have, because you've just redefined 'apartheid', thus making it impossible for me to talk.
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I believe apartheid involved race separation and preference for one race to the detriment of the others. Thus whites were kept separated and given preferential treatment. What the Brazilian government is doing is implementing a racial preference system in an unscientific way. This is what I find abhorrent about their methods.

I'm leaning to agree with Rei, it's not true apartheid. What Israel has is closer to apartheid.

But what they are doing is dangerous. I mentioned the DNA testing sarcastically, but the racial courts sure are troubling. They lend themselves to corruption, bias, and all sorts of shenanigans. It's much more ethical to identify the drivers which lead to under-representation, such as poverty, and focus on that. My proposal to fund quality scholarships for bright poor students at an early age (say when they are 12) is better. And I also realize it wouldn't be implemented. One thing all governments have in common is their sheer stupidity.

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