[Beren]

And replace her with what?

Something that works perhaps? Maybe it's not impossible. How much longer should this last, please?

[JohnRawls]

And replace her with what?

There is literally no viable option that can even get a slim majority through Parliament or the country.

She is a poor leader but leadership isn’t actually the problem here.

So your choice is do nothing? May ignores everything the EU says basically. She has set up her own red lines and is trying to make a plan in line with her red line while ignoring the EU, which blatantly says "you can't cherry pick", "you can't undermine the freedoms", "you can't split north and mainland ireland" etc. Those terms are not unreasonable because they were seen from 20 miles away even before the Brexit referendum was concluded.

And after that, the UK has the audacity to blame the EU for failing to sign a deal. I mean, somebody has to be blamed and blaming yourself is a no,no obviously.

[Nonsense]

And replace her with what?

There is literally no viable option that can even get a slim majority through Parliament or the country.

She is a poor leader but leadership isn’t actually the problem here.

The main problem in parliament, of all places, is that politicians of all persuasions are in denial of the democratic mandate to Leave the E.U.
They must be brought to book for their actions in the 2022 general election, because they are using the BREXIT debate to attempt to destabilise the work of parliament to deliver the referendum result.

Layman- "She is a poor leader but leadership isn’t actually the problem here."

Well, IMHO she is the 'problem' here, as you say, "she is a poor leader", both as Home Secretary, as well as P.M, she has made some disastrous decisions arising from her lack of leadership, to mention just two, Hinkley Point
power station & the 'Chequers' plan.
Then we look at the 'divorce' payment agreement with the E.U, which has failed to consider important long-term cost considerations related to our E.U departure.

By the end of March 2019, the misty glaze in which many people see the melodramatic political acts currently performed in front of our eyes will be lifted & the 'REAL' reality of political betrayal against the Leave vote revealed in all it's putrid details.

Shortly after then, a 'leadership' challenge could well be made(a typical 'Tory' trick to deceive the electorate, in order to continue in government-rather than face the music in a general election contest),the result however, will make no difference to the following election outcome.

[Beren]

Theresa May is part of a political problem and it's the political problem that should be solved in the first place. It is the Tory Party briefly, which seems unable to navigate the UK through Brexit. Although many are afraid of a Corbyn cabinet, it wouldn't be identical with Corbyn himself (who's not a red demon anyway), he would have to make lots of compromises as PM. He should make compromises regarding Brexit to be able to implement some of his social program at least.

[B0ycey]

Corbyn wants to remain in the single market. He is a light at the end of the tunnel. Although really the UK is better off staying in the club. Perhaps stubbornness clouds rationality. So let chaos commence.

If you have idiots leading your country, expect idiotic statements from them outside their residency.

[layman]

@JohnRawls im not talking about what I want. I was asking a genuine question.

Corbyn public position is no less cherry picking than the current one. He wants to leave fully but make a new bespoke custom arrangement, plus make own trade deals, plus 6 tests including “exact same economic benefits as before”. And yes he wants to leave single market. He whipped mps’s to vote against a monitor to remain there.

I suppose we can make an assumption that this is bluster and lies from him. That labour would be more mailable because the party is more pro eu and far more likely to give in on immigration.

Going on what all potential leaders claim are their positions, there is nothing that can work or am I wrong? Mog and borris won’t even get their Canada plus agreement because they would never concede the Irish border issue.

Ps talking of who the “uk” blames can’t be accurate. The government blame the eu in public but each other, remainders, hard brexiteers in private too. The people blame all sorts as well. Our own government, the other half of the public, the deep state ... take your pick.

Even on blame their is no consistency.

[Beren]

Corbyn wants to remain in the single market. He is a light at the end of the tunnel.

In my opinion Corbyn would be open to a second referendum too, if he got enough support for his social program in exchange.

[layman]

Maybe but this isn’t official policy. Both the tories and labour actual policy is movable with public opinion of course.

Interesting fact that even if no one changed their mind on their vote, remain will still overtake leave by 2019 due to demographics and brexiteers dying out study finds.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fi ... 41576.html

[Beren]

It's his social program he's really interested in, he doesn't seem to care that much about Brexit. It's just a pain in the arse for him, so he can be flexible and ask Blairites for support in exchange for a second referendum.

[B0ycey]

Maybe but this isn’t official policy. Both the tories and labour actual policy is movable with public opinion of course.

Perhaps this is true with Labour, but definitely not with the Tories. Opinion is turning to remain. And should the final outcome be "Hard Brexit", the voice of discontent will be deafening and that divide will grow larger. Being that the outcome is going to be hard Brexit, it is time to bite the bullet and just accept this and save face by giving the vote to the public. Unless there is another referendum May will get all the blame for her stubbornness because she was in power.

Nonetheless, I would like to point out that democracy isn't about a single choice. Democracy is all about changing your choice. Perhaps May should consider this fact when saying the vote should be respected. People have changed their minds. She should deal with this fact rather than brush it under the carpet.

[anarchist23]

Theresa May is fucked and literally weeks before the the Tory Party Conference.
Her impromptu statement in Downing Street a few hours ago outlines why she's shafted.
She's blaming everyone except herself. lol

[B0ycey]

Theresa May is fucked and literally weeks before the the Tory Party Conference.
Her impromptu statement in Downing Street a few hours ago outlines why she's shafted.
She's blaming everyone except herself. lol

She is playing the "I don't give a shit" card poorly. She still wants a deal and is the most needy here. She would have been better off just saying that her strategy was "we are going for Hard Brexit now" If she was going to play mind games.

[Beren]

I am literally eating popcorn while watching this.

[SolarCross]

Theresa May is fucked and literally weeks before the the Tory Party Conference.
Her impromptu statement in Downing Street a few hours ago outlines why she's shafted.
She's blaming everyone except herself. lol

She sounds pretty annoyed at the EU antics. I guess we should play hard ball with the EUtards from now on. She is right no deal is better than a shit deal.

[JohnRawls]

I am literally eating popcorn while watching this.

What is her Bluff? Send her economy in to recession?

[layman]

Tusk just replied and rightly pointed out she knew it wasn’t going to be acccepted before hand.

I can’t honestly believe she thought turning up in person would change their minds?

It s really quite simple. Either Norway type deal or Canada deal, perhaps a Canada plus on negotiation.

Take your fucking pick and stop embarrassing us woman...

[SolarCross]

What is her Bluff? Send her economy in to recession?

[Rich]

Maybe but this isn’t official policy. Both the tories and labour actual policy is movable with public opinion of course.

Interesting fact that even if no one changed their mind on their vote, remain will still overtake leave by 2019 due to demographics and brexiteers dying out study finds.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fi ... 41576.html

The problem is that the remain vote collapsed after the referendum. This was completely different to the Scottish referendum, where the independence vote remained firm after the defeat. Then just when the hard core remainers had accepted defeat, accepted that they no longer had 48%, the remain support started firming up. Teresa May is faced with an impossible task, any replacement would be faced with the same impossible task. To leave the EU in sane way, would mean building a majority in parliament, then doing a gradual withdrawal, keeping the British veto as a weapon. But then of course there was no need to leave the EU to get out of freedom of movement. Restrictions could have been imposed unilaterally.

Ireland has been in a customs union with Britain for hundreds of years. The pragmatic solution for Ireland would be to rejoin the United Kingdom, obviously that's not going to happen. So expect the divorce acrimony to go on and on and on.

[Beren]

What is her Bluff? Send her economy in to recession?

She's just playing tough for the upcoming Tory conference.

I can’t honestly believe she thought turning up in person would change their minds?

Maybe she hoped it would help her if she could bypass Barnier (and the French) and meet the EU27 as a whole. Well, it didn't.

[anarchist23]

It's obvious after the vote supporting Brexit that the EU will make an example of the UK. The EU wants to send the message to the member states saying that if any of you are thinking of leaving then just look at the mess the UK has got itself into.
A second referendum is the only solution for Britain.