[Falleen Prince Xizor]

All this United Ireland stuff is what keeps NI messed up. People are too busy worrying about the big but unimportant things while the little but important things are ignored.

BOLLOCKS!

That is one of the best i've heard in a while.

What Keeps Ni messed up.. have you ever considered that maybe, JUST maybe, the unionist history in NI might have something to do with it.

The constant election gerrymandering, they had to do that because they knew if they didn't, they were Fucked, they kept up the hatred, the multiplied it over and over again. They were scared they would lose power, they could well have lost it.

They couldn't accept that, to the detriment of NI today. The GFA is cited as a great breakthrough, It was for the unionists, Decomisioning of the Ira, puhleeezzzzzze, forever looking after their own interests. Now that the Ira is stalling decom... Sinn Fein can be "justifiably" excluded from NI's politics, thus prolonging the hatred more.

the DUP could be the greatest thing to ever happen up north, they should scrap the GFA and work with SF, finally do something worthwhile as opposed to terminally talking out of their assses.

I'm not saying SF are perfect, but they have the clout to fight for what's right in the 6 counties.

[Spin]

What Keeps Ni messed up.. have you ever considered that maybe, JUST maybe, the unionist history in NI might have something to do with it.

Oh so its only the unionists? And its not anything to do with Sein Fein? What about the spy ring? Its fuking both sides.

I'm not saying SF are perfect, but they have the clout to fight for what's right in the 6 counties.

Fuck off. The IRA killings just amde the loyalists more agressive. SDLP anyday. What is right? To keep on the bigotry?

The constant election gerrymandering, they had to do that because they knew if they didn't, they were Fucked, they kept up the hatred, the multiplied it over and over again. They were scared they would lose power, they could well have lost it.

Yea that was wrong. But its not a reason to start fuking murdering people who had nothing to do with it.

They couldn't accept that, to the detriment of NI today. The GFA is cited as a great breakthrough, It was for the unionists, Decomisioning of the Ira, puhleeezzzzzze, forever looking after their own interests. Now that the Ira is stalling decom... Sinn Fein can be "justifiably" excluded from NI's politics, thus prolonging the hatred more.

How was it a great for unionists? The majority of those who opposed it were unionist. What does Sein Fein have to do? Disarm what would supposedly bbeen un needed. Then they got all the fucking terrorists out. Murderers who served 2months for fucks sake. I was happy at the GFA.

Wait, had it not seemed the IRA were doing jackshit then the DUP wouldnt have done too well.

the DUP could be the greatest thing to ever happen up north, they should scrap the GFA and work with SF, finally do something worthwhile as opposed to terminally talking out of their assses.

Why the fuck should they work with Sein Fein? They gain nothing. I doubt that they will believe that the IRA will bugger off.

What Keeps Ni messed up.. have you ever considered that maybe, JUST maybe, the unionist history in NI might have something to do with it.

Yes that and the IRA shite. People worrying about the big things that are unimportant in the everyday running of the country. There are two sides to the argument. While the unionists were wrong at the start what is wrong now is prolonged violence.

Xixor, come down NI and live here for a few years. In an area with strong Prod. Sooner or later you will realise that they have a lot to bitch about too. Then hopefully you will realise that supporting the extreemists isnt going to help. The Better SF do the better the DUP do. The less peace and tolerance there is in NI.[/quote]

[Falleen Prince Xizor]

i agree yes!

there is no room for extremism!

Ban the Dup and Sinn Féin, that'll solve the problem..

it'll end the bigotry at least...

[Clann]

McDonnell joined the I.R.A after he was burnt out of his house by a loyalist mob, after he was interned and after he was stopped by the British army at every road block and told "we're going to get you McDonnell". He was a hero.

The Provisional Irish Republican army is not the same as the fenians, there are around 150 years separating the 2 movements. Don't be silly. The P.I.R.A, I.N.L.A, O.I.R.A, Fenians, United Irish men are all seperate movements united by a common cause. Blaming England is low? What? It's all Englands fault!

Connolly put it perfectly when he said that the British Government has no right in Ireland, never had any right in Ireland, and never can have any right in Ireland.

[Spin]

Connolly put it perfectly when he said that the British Government has no right in Ireland, never had any right in Ireland, and never can have any right in Ireland.

They didnt have a right in Ireland, but now with the large number of those who want British rule, they do have a right.

They dont have a right in the south.

They South dont have a right in the north where the majority dont want them.

[Rinty]

Question. If Ireland had been an independent united country, would we be supporting claims of self determination for a section of the community in the North based on them having a different culture, religion, language etc.?

People can call them planters or look to history to point out why they shoudln't be there but it has been 400 years since the plantations of Ulster and Munster. They were succesfully ousted in Munster to an extent. In parts of Ulster their remains a population and culture which is largely derivitive of the original Scottish and English settlers.

My point is really this. At what point do we draw a line and say a group of people are indigenous or alien? Most unionist families in the North have been there for 3 or 4 hundred years. Don't forget that before that even, the movement between Ulster and Britain went on for thousands of years, The Scots came from Ireland intially! To them, joining up with the Republic doesn't make sense for the very reasons that people will use to call for a united Ireland - culture, history, language, religion.

Also, to what extent does the EU mean that sovereignty over the six counties is irrelevant?

[Rinty]

Connolly put it perfectly when he said that the British Government has no right in Ireland, never had any right in Ireland, and never can have any right in Ireland.

Yes but Connolly was a Scot who first visited Ireland as a British soldier. Anyway I prefer

"If the national movement of our day is not merely to re-enact the old sad tragedies of our past history, it must show itself capable of rising to the exigencies of the moment.

It must demonstrate to the people of Ireland that our nationalism is not merely a morbid idealising of the past, but is also capable of formulating a distinct and definite answer to the problems of the present and a political and economic creed capable of adjustment to the wants of the future."

(Socialism and Nationalism, 1897)

[DayTripper]

My great Grand father fought for the IRA.

He grew up on a farm in Donegal. He hate the british occupation, his 3 brothers were killed in fighting. I feel that the ocupation is unjust, but this is just an outsider opinion. Truthfully though, the catholics have had it much worse, during points in the history, they were not allowed to be a proffesional, own weapons or land, horses. a bunch of bullshit. Also that fuck cromwell who displaced all of the catholics and replaced them with the protestant plantations, which was mentioned before. The IRA may go about things in the wrong way, but when my family fought, i would venture to say it was quite a just cause.

AN PHOBLACHT ABU!

[Sponge Bob Square Pants]

Also that fuck cromwell who displaced all of the catholics and replaced them with the protestant plantations, which was mentioned before.

Some of that was done but not by Cromwell's hand.

[Rinty]

Sue de nimes said

How about if everyone in the 'United Kingdom' voted ? Most ppl in England (& certainly most in Scotland) don't actually want to enforce an occupation.

I dont belive this to be true - certainly not in Scotland, possibly in the largely Irish catholic Glasgow and lanarkshire but definitely not in Scotland as a whole.