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‘We Can’t Survive’: Small Business Loses Hundreds Of Thousands To Theft In Crime-Ridden California

California hardware store lost $700,000 from shoplifting in 2022 as thefts continue to burden the area, according to The Mercury News.

Dale Hardware, located in Fremont, California, is losing $1,800 a day to shoplifting due to both individual and organized theft. The increase in thefts follows relaxed attitudes from local prosecutors and law enforcement towards lower-level crimes like small-dollar shoplifting, following a national trend under liberal defense attorneys who have received large amounts of funding from mega-donor George Soros.

"How do we run a small business with $1,800 of loss every day?" Dale Hardware owner Kyle Smith said. "It ends up costing the consumer more money because we can’t survive without raising prices."

Smith said that Dale Hardware typically only calls the police when the amount stolen is over $10,000 because shoplifters are not likely to be held accountable in cases of lower-cost thefts.

San Francisco has also seen a spike in retail crime, with 23 retail stores closing in downtown San Francisco since 2020 as of May. Top retailers like Whole Foods, Anthropologie, Nordstrom and T-Mobile have fled the area due to rising crime.

Fremont is under the jurisdiction of Alameda County, where current District Attorney Pamela Price ran her 2022 campaign on "pursuing comprehensive alternatives to incarceration" and "social service interventions that reduce harmful behavior without law enforcement involvement." In 2018, the California Justice and Public Safety PAC, which was given $6.1 million by Soros, gave Price $699,647 for her district attorney campaign.

'We Can't Survive': Small Business Loses Hundreds Of Thousands To Theft In Crime-Ridden California Story, Will Kessler, The Daily Caller
https://dailycaller.com/2023/07/31/smal ... alifornia/


see related thread: Manhattan DA prosecuted store employee for defending self, stopping thief


The legal and law enforcement environment, something most people often take for granted, will end up having an economic impact and effect how people in society buy things. I fear this is going to further accelerate the closure of smaller businesses, as sales shift to bigger business models.
Police don't seem to be helping, and small business owners are too fearful of prosecutions and lawsuits coming from the local court system to take matters into their own hands and stop the thieves. (In these progressive areas, they're often much more sympathetic to petty criminals than to businesses, and do not take a sympathetic view to violent physical force being used to protect property, very different from conservative areas)

Part of this too is massive levels of foreign illegal immigration over several decades, especially into this state, resulting in a crime wave. Yet about half the thieves seem to be African American. The large amounts of foreign immigration have increased population levels in the state, pushing rent and housing prices up and resulting in a shortage of affordable housing. Many African Americans living in these areas are having to spend most of their income on rent and are not far away from being pushed out into sleeping on the streets. Under these circumstances, there's a sense of desperation, resentment, and entitlement, amongst some, and so they turn to stealing from stores. There is definitely some degree of racial and economic backdrop to this wave of store thefts, although as already mentioned, law enforcement is one big part of the problem as well.
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Rancid wrote:California BAD!

Some of these conservative opinion pieces may be a little biased and targeting California, but that state definitely has some problems, some problems that seem mostly unique to that state. About 12% of the total U.S. population lives in California (and it was 14% about ten years ago).
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Puffer Fish wrote:Some of these conservative opinion pieces may be a little biased and targeting California, but that state definitely has some problems, some problems that seem mostly unique to that state. About 12% of the total U.S. population lives in California (and it was 14% about ten years ago).


Their GDP is massive and growing though. Conservatives should realize it's doing something right (since conservatives care so much about business).
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Rancid wrote:Their GDP is massive and growing though.

Mostly since so many rich people live there. A lot of that wealth is a legacy from the past, from an earlier time.
A lot of rich people choose to stay there due to the natural beauty, pleasant climate, and the excitement (higher population densities plus lots of nearby wealth sustains many businesses).

I doubt that their GDP is actually growing if adjusted for inflation and population increase. If you want to debate this with me, maybe start another separate discussion and leave the link here.
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Puffer Fish wrote:Mostly since so many rich people live there. A lot of that wealth is a legacy from the past, from an earlier time.
A lot of rich people choose to stay there due to the natural beauty, pleasant climate, and the excitement (higher population densities plus lots of nearby wealth sustains many businesses).


I guess you've never heard of venture capital.
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Rancid wrote:I guess you've never heard of venture capital.

That has nothing to do with the government.
Again, it just has to do with many rich people wanting to live there.

The current California-style government would never succeed in a poorer state. Try it in Wyoming or Mississippi.

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
--Margaret Thatcher
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Puffer Fish wrote:That has nothing to do with the government.
Again, it just has to do with many rich people wanting to live there.

The current California-style government would never succeed in a poorer state. Try it in Wyoming or Mississippi.

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
--Margaret Thatcher


I guess you've not heard of the University of California system either.
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Rancid wrote:I guess you've not heard of the University of California system either.

The students in the University of California system would be 75% Asian (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese of more Chinese ethnicity) if it was not for the secret and illegal policies the administration uses to discriminate and try to maintain "diversity".

Which is another discussion...
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At this point, I would need independent verification of some massive loss from thefts since retail associations have been caught lying about this exact thing.

Especially in California, since the governor is spending millions on a special task force just for this to provide a public tax subsidy for retailers.

Do California retailers need even more taxpayer money?;
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Pants-of-dog wrote:Especially in California, since the governor is spending millions on a special task force just for this to provide a public tax subsidy for retailers.


Dunno, but politicians always need to keep the corporations that fund them happy.

A broader point on @Puffer Fish's general attitude. This is a real problem in American politics now. Were people applaud bad news basically. The US needs California, just as much as the California needs the US. Let's stop being partisan asshats for once. Besides, California subsidizes a lot of the rest of the US. Especially the south.
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Puffer Fish wrote:Mostly since so many rich people live there.


GDP measures the financial value of goods and services produced. Individual wealth is not a factor. If that were the case, someplace like the Caymann islands would have insane measurements of GDP per capita.

Also I could care less about shoplifting. Conservative pundits focus on it because it keeps the discussion away from wage theft, which Dale Hardware 100% does as a large retailer, and shift the focus to blaming poor people. Despite the fact that wage theft is far larger than any other form of theft tracked in the US.
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SpecialOlympian wrote:
GDP measures the financial value of goods and services produced. Individual wealth is not a factor. If that were the case, someplace like the Caymann islands would have insane measurements of GDP per capita.

Also I could care less about shoplifting. Conservative pundits focus on it because it keeps the discussion away from wage theft, which Dale Hardware 100% does as a large retailer, and shift the focus to blaming poor people. Despite the fact that wage theft is far larger than any other form of theft tracked in the US.


True, every conservative talking point is about a distraction. For example, bashing on California in general distracts from the fact that red states are net negative on federal taxes, they they are the least educated, lead healthy, lowest contributors to GDP, etc. etc.

The Hunter Biden is another distraction from a man that tried to over throw the govenrment. etc. etc.

It's just distraction after distraction because they pieces of shit that have nothing to stand on. Yet, people eat it up, and eat it up.
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It should be noted that in many jurisdictions, wage theft is not a crime.

It is considered a civil infraction, like reneging on a contract.

So, if a poor person steals a certain amount of money from Walgreens, the police will be called, but Walgreens can steal as much money as they want from their employee and the police will never be called.
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Rancid wrote:True, every conservative talking point is about a distraction. For example, bashing on California in general distracts from the fact that red states are net negative on federal taxes, they they are the least educated, lead healthy, lowest contributors to GDP, etc. etc.

The Hunter Biden is another distraction from a man that tried to over throw the govenrment. etc. etc.

It's just distraction after distraction because they pieces of shit that have nothing to stand on. Yet, people eat it up, and eat it up.


It’s not that sometimes the administrative portion of government is inefficient or bad in California. That’s just a natural consequence of large human endeavors.

They focus on the failures because they don’t want to provide any service to their citizens. It’s the same bitch-to-capitalism mindset that harps on about how sometimes unions are corrupt or inefficient, so why don’t we just get rid of them so you can deal directly with hierarchical capital.

It’s dumb shit for ignorant morons who have no conception that they are labor sellers and employers are labor buyers. They don’t even want that language to exist, as it underscores capital’s dependence on labor. You’re lucky to be employed.

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