[wat0n]

I don't know what went on with you and Pants in other threads. What I read from him is that you have accused him of gaslighting and you are discrediting him? Why?

That makes sense to me because you have lied on me before. Who noticed that? Patrikov. A man who is not my ideological buddy. This means you have a pattern of behavior with people you disagree with of making shit up to avoid taking responsibility.

Where exactly?

Let us go back to the subject of this thread.

Liberal thought is part of university studies in the USA. Why? The conservative element is not absent in these places. But they are not as respected. Mostly because conservative thought is not anti-establishment in general. They are more or less in agreement with capitalism, class structures, and resist change in general. That is the reason they are known as conservative. To conserve the system as is. Not make any real changes that are radical or otherwise. Most are defenders of what? The Smithsonian chart of Whiteness as a Culture.

What makes you believe that people like Trump aren't radical?

They aren't left wing radicals, but they're radical nonetheless.

Also, the fact that the Smithsonian is even issuing that type of chart shows that these ideas are not as niche or radical as you make them be. The Smithsonian, after all, is funded by the federal government - it's obviously part of the system.

You metiendo la pata, say, it is universally valid for all governments to have elements of that culture in order to have an effective government and society. Or implied such in that thread. Potemkin said one or two lines. He got to the point. Other societies are actually functioning without that structure. But another type of culture is not that. You thought it was universal. Potemkin thought it was not universal at all. This means that more than one system is functional with human governments and human cultures and human identities.

It is universal in modernized industrial and post-industrial societies. I provided examples of essential government services that require that to function, not because of cultural reasons but for technical reasons.

And the educational systems of those societies are geared in one way or another so those services can get qualified enough workers. This goes for both capitalist and socialist countries.

You could now say "oh, well, but we're obviously not the same as those cultural traits go". True, but they are generally valued and expected in any modernized society. There are also other traits that are expected in any modern society and, indeed, that those societies take for granted that are not mentioned in the infographic. Example: Sedentarism.

I think back in our exchanges and think, hmmm, Wat0n made that blunder about Latin American caudillos being part of the culture and it is a cultural endemic issue of strong men and dictatorships. It is not. Because then I put in the coup that was planned by Anglo military and business leaders against the Roosevelt administration and its effects on the ones losing out on that whole historical time period. They wanted to overthrow the Roosevelt administration and put in some generals to take over and they were ANGLOS. Fighting for power over a political leader they wanted to overthrow. Thus nullifying your theory of cultural exclusivity.

I never said that caudillos are an exclusive feature of Latin America, only that other societies have done much better in holding them off.

Do you want examples of caudillos who managed to cling to power that weren't Latin American? Napoleon, Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin come to mind. Nowadays I would also include Putin.

Some caudillos not from Latin America who failed to cling to power? The obvious one, Trump.

Why does Latin America have a recurrent caudillo problem? Because Latin American institutions encourage caudillismo, particularly, the fact that Latin American countries tend to have Presidential systems with bad checks and balances. And that is due to our history, indeed, our countries were founded by caudillos who saw themselves as following the example of their contemporary, Napoleon. Our founding fathers were inspired by Napoleon, the quintessential caudillo.

But even then, Latin American caudillo wannabees do sometimes fail. We just saw one fail a couple of months ago, Castillo in Peru.

That is why I think your theories about the universality of some group is probably faulty a large amount of the time. Because you don't think beyond your own lies about even your own background. Hispanic. Not specific.

You are Chilean. That is specific. Lol.

I really find a lot of what you claim to know as not well done Wat0n. You can improve it if you work harder. Be responsible. Be accountable. Don't run from the work involved.

You could do the same, can't you?

[Pants-of-dog]

https://www.thefire.org/news/thought-st ... bill-worse

HB 999 would require faculty to censor their discussion and materials in general education courses, to the detriment of both faculty and their students. The measure would prohibit faculty teaching these courses from including material that “teaches identity politics,” which the bill defines as “Critical Race Theory” — something the bill does not define. Faculty teaching courses on history, philosophy, humanities, literature, sociology, or art would be required to guess what material administrators, political appointees, or lawmakers might label “identity politics” — no matter how pedagogically relevant the material is to the course.

HB 999 would also require that general education courses rewrite “American history,” prohibiting teaching that would suggest that America was anything other than “a new nation based on universal principles stated in the Declaration of Independence.” And faculty would be required to guess what it means — again, in the eyes of administrators and political appointees — to “suppress or distort significant historical events.”

But perhaps the most vague restriction in HB 999 is its prohibition on the inclusion of “unproven, theoretical, or exploratory content” in general education courses. A broad range of academic content — including quite literally all scientific theories — is contested and theoretical. State officials would have unfettered discretion to determine which views are “theoretical” and banned from general education courses. A bill so vague that it allows officials the discretion to declare that professors cannot discuss new theories and ideas in a particular public university class should be rejected, flat out.

Apparently, anything that is even deemed to be “theoretical” can now be censored.

[wat0n]

@Pants-of-dog so why is it censorship for the government to refuse to fund gender studies major but it's not to refuse to fund majors in astrology or conversion therapy?

[Pants-of-dog]

@wat0n

I have mo idea why you are asking me that. At best, I would provide you with an answer you could not trust.

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Apparently, the new bill will also outlaw any extracurricular activities that may engage in any of these fields. So, a university with a feminist group on campus could face defunding.

[Tainari88]

https://www.thefire.org/news/thought-stop-woke-act-was-bad-new-florida-bill-worse

HB 999 would require faculty to censor their discussion and materials in general education courses, to the detriment of both faculty and their students. The measure would prohibit faculty teaching these courses from including material that “teaches identity politics,” which the bill defines as “Critical Race Theory” — something the bill does not define. Faculty teaching courses on history, philosophy, humanities, literature, sociology, or art would be required to guess what material administrators, political appointees, or lawmakers might label “identity politics” — no matter how pedagogically relevant the material is to the course.

HB 999 would also require that general education courses rewrite “American history,” prohibiting teaching that would suggest that America was anything other than “a new nation based on universal principles stated in the Declaration of Independence.” And faculty would be required to guess what it means — again, in the eyes of administrators and political appointees — to “suppress or distort significant historical events.”

But perhaps the most vague restriction in HB 999 is its prohibition on the inclusion of “unproven, theoretical, or exploratory content” in general education courses. A broad range of academic content — including quite literally all scientific theories — is contested and theoretical. State officials would have unfettered discretion to determine which views are “theoretical” and banned from general education courses. A bill so vague that it allows officials the discretion to declare that professors cannot discuss new theories and ideas in a particular public university class should be rejected, flat out.

Apparently, anything that is even deemed to be “theoretical” can now be censored.

Well, Pants, they can run but they can't hide. They can deny climate change as some Leftist conspiracy to keep the decent consumers of American suburbs from not recycling their trash but the truth is unless they snap out of their denial mode the planet is going to wipe their doubts from their minds. All those conservative people in denial about climate change are going to lose their beachfront property in big ass waves of glory from the supposedly not changing environment.

Anyone can go and censor all thoughts. That is what the fascists do. Censor and restrict everyone. But they voted for these assholes. Each government has to cope with the either indifference of the voting public or the choice of the ones who love the conservative fascist elements.

Again, it is a fight for power. If you do not get involved to oust the DeSantis types? You are stuck with their dumb policies.

[Politics_Observer]

@Tainari88

Well, you know, it is the state of Florida. They are always fucking up.