[Tainari88]

Liberal media types attacking the hard left and lying. They would rather lose to Trump than try to serve the working class and not be corrupt.

If they don't have the energy for a real campaign fight against the neofascist? THEY Suck! Susan Sarandon's answers to Soledad O'Brien sellout Cuban/Australian American liberal media journalist crap tweeting, is using her usual liberal rich person's response. It is not going to work anymore. I am like that Ryan guy. I am not voting for Joe. They are incompetent people in the Democratic party. Get it together people! OR LOSE.

[late]

I am not voting for Joe.

OR LOSE.

You just said you want 4 more years of Trump.

May not be what you had in mind, but that's the way the cookie could crumble.

If Biden doesn't win in a landslide, this ends with blood in the streets.

[Rancid]

Trump is going to win, so don't worry @Tainari88

[MistyTiger]

If Trump wins, there will be cries of Russian interference AGAIN. Do we really want that?

It is pretty hard to find competent people in any industry sector. Biden is the the lesser of all incompetents in a crowd of incompetents. No one is perfect. Everyone in Politics or at least those who have been in the ranks for decades, has skeletons in the ole closet and scandals they would rather keep secret. I try not to read too much about politicians.

[Rancid]

If Trump wins, there will be cries of Russian interference AGAIN. Do we really want that?

There certainly already is Russian and Chinese interference (Major tech companies as well as the government have already confirmed this), the question is, did it influence the election significantly?

It is pretty hard to find competent people in any industry sector. Biden is the the lesser of all incompetents in a crowd of incompetents. No one is perfect. Everyone in Politics or at least those who have been in the ranks for decades, has skeletons in the ole closet and scandals they would rather keep secret. I try not to read too much about politicians.

Smash the electoral system to allow for a third party? Dunno...

[Local Localist]

I'm increasingly agreeing with Tainari on this one. I think it's most likely Biden will lose, at this point. The Democratic establishment have been determined to block Sanders and co all the way, no matter how bad their own candidate is. Why buy what they're selling? If Trump wins, it will be the fault of the Democratic Party, more than anyone else, and if he does, they can't be allowed to get away with ignoring their own base next time.

[B0ycey]

I think it's most likely Biden will lose, at this point.

Why??!?

He is up in the polls, holds the advantage in keys states and is facing someone who every week has another scandal to contend with. It's almost like people can't face reality. Although if people don't back Biden and split the vote, that would be an advantage for Trump.

This is an unusual election where you vote against the person you don't want rather than the person you do want. The objective should just get Trump out of office. Sure Biden is crap, but he isn't Trump. And whether people accept it or not, voting for anyone other than Biden is a vote for Trump.

[Local Localist]

Why??!?

He is up in the polls, holds the advantage in keys states and is facing someone who every week has another scandal to contend with. It's almost like people can't face reality. Although if people don't back Biden and split the vote, that would be an advantage for Trump.

This is an unusual election where you vote against the person you don't want rather than the person you do want. The objective should just get Trump out of office. Sure Biden is crap, but he isn't Trump. And whether people accept it or not, voting for anyone other than Biden is a vote for Trump.

Hillary Clinton was ahead in the polls, and not voting for her was a vote for Trump. Yet, just enough people were unwilling to vote for her that she lost the election. Why? Because she was so blatantly a product of the Democratic establishment, pushed into everyone's faces when they didn't ask for it. If Biden wins the election, that will reinforce the legitimacy of the Democratic establishment, and they might just be able to get away with another decade or two of ignoring the interests of the poor. Tl;dr, four years of Sanders is better than eight years of Biden.

[Heisenberg]

This is an unusual election where you vote against the person you don't want rather than the person you do want. The objective should just get Trump out of office. Sure Biden is crap, but he isn't Trump. And whether people accept it or not, voting for anyone other than Biden is a vote for Trump.

By exactly the same logic, a vote for anyone other than Trump is a vote for Biden.

[B0ycey]

Hillary Clinton was ahead in the polls, and not voting for her was a vote for Trump.

Sure, but back then people just wanted to vote against the establishment because they wanted change and Trump was making the right noises and Clinton was shillings thinking she couldn't lose. But let's be clear. A Trump victory was a fucking shock last time but there was still a path if the undecided back him in key states. This time there isn't really a path and he still needs Florida which is a big ask considering it is a state that has been hit hard by Trumps Covid response. And also Trump still lost the popular vote four years ago I might add so he doesn't have much room to maneuver and that polls currently are wider than they were in 2016.

[B0ycey]

By exactly the same logic, a vote for anyone other than Trump is a vote for Biden.

Indeed it is if you don't want Biden as president. Only if you are ambivalent do you have an open ballot sheet as this is a two horse race. Or are you arguing there is a third option?

[Beren]

By exactly the same logic, a vote for anyone other than Trump is a vote for Biden.

Exactly. Americans vote for either Trump or Biden anyway.

[Tainari88]

You just said you want 4 more years of Trump.

May not be what you had in mind, but that's the way the cookie could crumble.

If Biden doesn't win in a landslide, this ends with blood in the streets.

No late, I hate that man. I hate him. He is proposing undermining social security Late. I need that and my husband too to live in Mexico. But? The democratic party can't even handle running a damn website competently and taking down a damn horror for president. My husband will vote for Biden just to avoid Trump. But he is thinking like Susan Sarandon. The Democrats are corrupt liberals without any real principles and don't do shit for the working class and hate the far left who are pressuring those bland liberals who are sold out to corporations Late. They need to stop thinking they can win with some Republican suburban swing voters and continue to ignore the hard left that wants to spank some banks and capitalists because those corporations are responsible for the no movement on minimum wages and the rest Late. They are not doing what is necessary and how can you excuse not talking about meetings with COVID out there running around?!

Update the damn campaign. Get it together. Dead links. What the hell? How many days before an election and you got old shit up there and hope to convince moderate Republicans. You don't have to convince moderate Republicans. You need to motivate those Bernie socialists FAST to vote for Biden but you won't do it not committing to working class agendas Late. It won't happen.

Sarandon will vote for Biden and go and join a Third party if he wins. You will get stomped for ignoring and playing dirty tricks on the left due to lack of will to serve working class people and socialist policies that are screaming for implementation due to that nightmare Capitalist conman in the white house....but NO. You are still blaming your incompetent party on the LEFT who warned you to get it together. You are using the same tired tactics and doing the same tired stuff. GET IT TOGETHER.

I won't be voting for Biden. I vote for a socialist party from Mexico. Colorado is not a swing state anyway and so? My vote is moot there. Concentrate on Florida, Pennslyvania, Ohio, Michigan, etc. Not on Colorado. Colorado is blue and not changing. So you deal with it Late. Deal with that Sarandon criticism.

[Tainari88]

Trump is going to win, so don't worry @Tainari88

I hope he doesn't win Rancid--but if you can't even update some basic organizing tool kit with millions of bucks and you have no plan on how to get people to put some energy behind a political campaign when Trump is talking about rolling back the payroll tax and that means no social security checks and so on for all these old people, and no funds for anything and total blood and chaos and you don't take that shit seriously enough to go and do some real organizing and hardball political fight? Do you deserve to be in power? That is my question here.


These politicians are fools Rancid. I swear I think your PENIS POWER campaign in Austin would have more competent people and have more confident voters behind it than these weak shit from the present Democratic party. Are they interested in taking down that fascist conman? I want to know.....

[wat0n]

Do people really believe Bernie would stand a better chance against Trump?

[blackjack21]

You just said you want 4 more years of Trump.

Not really. She's a socialist, and Biden is a pro-war, prison-industrial-complex establishment stooge.

If Trump wins, there will be cries of Russian interference AGAIN. Do we really want that?

I don't think anyone believes the Russian narrative. Democrats just can't accept that the country just isn't into their "woke" narrative, while ignoring the plight of the working classes.

Biden is the the lesser of all incompetents in a crowd of incompetents.

Biden has a 47 year track record. It's not hard to figure out what Biden is all about.

The Democratic establishment have been determined to block Sanders and co all the way, no matter how bad their own candidate is.

That is their number 1 problem: AOC and company are the face of the future of the Democratic party, and Biden, Schumer and Pelosi are utterly opposed to them.

Wokeness/PC, whatever you want to call it, is not selling with the American people anymore. However, the Democrats are highly factional and it is not easy to turn that battleship around. Some of this is by design, though. They had 4 years to address illegal immigration and trade, and chose to double down on Russiagate, etc.

Although if people don't back Biden and split the vote, that would be an advantage for Trump.

There is no enthusiasm for Biden. Even Biden isn't enthusiastic about his campaign. Many who voted for Sanders will NOT vote for Biden.

Sure Biden is crap, but he isn't Trump.

But he's part of Obama/Bush/Clinton/Bush. He's part of the war machine. He's part of the prison industrial complex. He's part of offshoring jobs. He's part of illegal immigration. On a policy basis, he's done nothing to bring working class white voters back into the Democrat fold. He's openly promised a green new deal, to end fracking, coal, etc. That automatically puts states like Pennsylvania in play.

Because she was so blatantly a product of the Democratic establishment, pushed into everyone's faces when they didn't ask for it.

That's exactly what they did. I think Biden is a throwaway candidate, like Bob Dole was. Basically, he's too old to lead, or to understand the political climate today.

Sure, but back then people just wanted to vote against the establishment because they wanted change and Trump was making the right noises and Clinton was shillings thinking she couldn't lose. But let's be clear. A Trump victory was a fucking shock last time but there was still a path if the undecided back him in key states.

They were literally saying that Trump had no path to 270 on election night on television. They couldn't believe that the so-called "blue wall" collapsed. Minneosota is in play this time, and the last time they voted for a Republican for president was Nixon in 1972.

You need to motivate those Bernie socialists FAST to vote for Biden but you won't do it not committing to working class agendas Late. It won't happen.

See, and that's where Trump has street cred. He's actually done it. He actually got wages going up and unemployment going down for working class people. Democrats chose not to talk about it, and focus on contrived scandals instead.

due to that nightmare Capitalist conman in the white house...

That's where you are wrong. The reason for working class desire for more equity was the establishment's post Cold War planning of unfettered global capitalism, and it's not just unpopular among working people in the US. It's the backbone of Gilets Jaunes in France, AfD in Germany, Brexit in the UK, Lega in Italy, and so forth.

I hope he doesn't win Rancid--but if you can't even update some basic organizing tool kit with millions of bucks and you have no plan on how to get people to put some energy behind a political campaign when Trump is talking about rolling back the payroll tax and that means no social security checks and so on for all these old people, and no funds for anything and total blood and chaos and you don't take that shit seriously enough to go and do some real organizing and hardball political fight?

Cutting the payroll tax doesn't mean that Social Security checks won't go out. It just means a bigger budget deficit.

Do people really believe Bernie would stand a better chance against Trump?

I don't think so, but he would have very real enthusiasm, for which Biden has none. A failed Bernie Sanders campaign would put real fear into the heart of the establishment, which is what needs to happen. That's why Biden was the only Democrat I was really opposed to. If I wasn't independent, I would have voted Bernie in the California primary just to make sure the establishment didn't get to hand pick their candidates.

[Rancid]

These politicians are fools Rancid. I swear I think your PENIS POWER campaign in Austin would have more competent people and have more confident voters behind it than these weak shit from the present Democratic party.

Are you insulting me or complementing me?

I wonder though, will the democratic party change if Trump wins again? I suspect no. I think they are just banking on the pendulum to swing back their way. Seems like this is what both parties do because it's the easiest way to maintain power, if they just occasionally share it with "the other side".

[Chad]

The Democrat Party is a collection of career criminal politicians that only care about money and communists that desire to own the world. The Democrat Party are the worst kind of losers. The taxpaying legal American citizens have been duped by the Democrats for the last 40 years. How did Crazy Bernie ...AKA...Socialist Sanders...ever get any American to vote for him. Only in America can you find Americans that are stupid enough to vote away their God given rights to a Communist run political party. President Trump has done more for America's taxpaying legal citizens in such a short period of time than the Democrat Party has done in decades. The diseased Democrats will continually destroy America's middle class with poisoned policies. They continue to promote illegals and minorities living in despicable Democrat HUD ghettos with defunded police departments. It has been a path of destruction for decades from the Democrats. Brain Dead Biden has been a creature of the destruction in D.C. and should be charged with treason. The saving grace for America's citizens came in 2016 when crooked Hillary dropped the baton from the Hawaiian Muslim slumlord pimp. The Democrats dirty dealings have been exposed to the American public. The time to re elect President Trump is now. The corruption of the Democrats reaches new level at each election cycle. No matter what voter fraud games are played this election cycle, President Trump will be re elected. Only a complete moron or a communist would approve of career criminal Joe Brain Dead Biden and his boot licker VP. Never vote for an Antifa Loving, BLM Supporting, Police Defunding, Leftist Democrat this Century. Illegals still Suck! Build the Wall!

[jimjam]

extremism of any stripe, whether it be left or right, is inherently wrong and dangerous to the well being of the planet.

[Tainari88]

Chad sounds like a deranged bot really. How are you @jimjam ? I am trying to survive 3rd grade via zoom in Mexico. It is tough. Hee hee.

Biden needs to stop being some absent dude and actually talk about his policies and what he plans to do.

This election is so off. Pandemic, unemployment, pissed off cultists, cops using rough tactics. People getting offed. It is crazy. I am surprised at how well Mexico is coping with this chaos. Really.