jimjam wrote:When you lie countless times every day it’s hard to get people to believe you when you want them too.
Yes. That is why nobody believes the Atlantic story. I don't think you believe it either.
jimjam wrote:We have all seen the disrespect for Gold Star families, for John McCain, for veterans who don’t fall on the “right” side of political lines.
Yes. So we know it isn't about respect for the military or military service, it is about politics.
jimjam wrote:We have heard zero about the bounty placed on soldiers by the Russians.
The story appeared during the Obama administration, and we heard little about it then too. It's likely because the story is apocryphal, and probably a lie.
jimjam wrote:And remember when Donald was asked how his "bone spurs" were doing and he said, "They just went away." 
Yes. You're saying he dodged the draft. So did presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton. This makes Trump unique among baby boomers in your view? Or is it my view that you are trying to persuade?
jimjam wrote:Sorry #21, after about 2500 lies your man doesn't have a whole lot of credibility ….
He does have a lot of political support, however.
jimjam wrote:Actions speak louder than words.
Trump has political support, because of his political actions. A lot of people who support Trump actually don't like him personally.
Heisenberg wrote:I'm genuinely amazed that after FIVE years of Trump being in the public eye, liberals still think the "vulgar hypocrite" attack line will work.
It is truly amazing. What it suggests to me is that they learned this stuff in a playbook, and they really think it will work. Why? Probably because it used to work.
Heisenberg wrote:I'm starting to think we could generate broad popular support, across ideological lines, for putting the likes of David Frum and Jennifer Rubin in a human zoo. It's past time that we studied the physiological basis of Extreme West Wing Brain.
Well, we can certainly see predictability and patterns of behavior. I'm guessing we'll be treated to another person who Donald Trump allegedly had sex with fairly soon.
jimjam wrote:The Atlantic magazine published a story on Thursday in which four sources close to Donald Trump said he cancelled a visit to pay respects at an American military cemetery outside Paris in 2018 because he thought the dead soldiers were “losers” and “suckers” and DID NOT WANT TO MESS UP HIS HAIR .
No jimjam. The Atlantic magazine published a story on Thursday in which it CLAIMED that four sources, whom they refuse to disclose, said Trump said nasty things about military veterans, etc. The official records suggest otherwise, and ten other sources also say that the imaginary sources are wrong.
jimjam wrote:Elizabeth Neumann, a former assistant secretary of counter-terrorism in the Department of Homeland Security, and Miles Taylor, a former chief of staff in that department, said the account was true, asserting that Trump’s low opinion of soldiers killed and wounded in combat was well known inside the administration.
Actions speak louder than words. Trump turned around the Veterans Administration. That's why disgruntled former employees with a political axe to grind are not going to be believed when Trump overhauled the Veterans Administration, when neither Obama, Bush or Clinton did.
jimjam wrote:Reports by the Washington Post and the Associated Press and other media outlets, Fox News among them, also corroborated the Atlantic story.
They cited the story. These imaginary sources don't exist.
jimjam wrote:Democratic Illinois senator Tammy Duckworth, who lost both her legs in combat in Iraq, accused Trump of attempting to “politicize and pervert our military to stroke his own ego”. “I take my wheelchair, and my titanium legs over Donald Trump’s supposed bone spurs any day,” she added, referring to one reason Trump received draft deferments during the Vietnam war.
Tammy Duckworth lost her legs in a war George W. Bush started. It's interesting that she is suddenly critical of Trump, who overhauled the Veterans Administration, but not of Obama, Bush or Clinton, who actually did tolerate poor service to military veterans. As we know, this is all about politics, and not about the military.
Potemkin wrote:The First World War destroyed most of the European Empires and crippled the ones which survived. It also led directly to the establishment of Communism in the ex-Russian Empire, and thereafter in China and elsewhere. Quite frankly, the First World War was one of the best things which ever happened to humanity.
And Fascism in Germany, Spain, and Italy... and virtually all of the communist and fascist regimes were an abysmal dystopian failure.
Beren wrote:As for Trump, he may simply believe that dying or being captured on the battlefield is completely useless and doesn't require any special ability, so thus it just shouldn't be glorified and only suckers choose or have to do that, so dodging military service is neither cowardice nor irresponsibility.
People who actually believe that about troops want Trump supporters to believe that about Trump in hopes that they will think Trump is a bad person and not vote for him. This is because they decided not to address illegal immigration and trade policy.
Sivad wrote:Nazism and Communism taught the world about the horrors of totalitarianism. It was a brutal lesson but it was crucial to the preservation of human freedom so we should all be eternally grateful to all those who suffered so immensely under it. Their horrific ordeal provided world civilization with invaluable edification.
The irony is that it taught the people who lived under totalitarianism and some liberals how horrible it was; yet, people who live in liberal societies still embrace totalitarian ideology as an antidote to what bothers them about liberal society.
Politics_Observer wrote:I hate to break it to you but YOU are the one who is not facing the facts and seeing Trump for who he really is.
You love to break it to me. What you don't understand is that I don't give two shits about who Trump really is. I care about what he does as a policy matter. I care about who he is not. I'm not looking for a savior in a politician.
Politics_Observer wrote:I have NO DOUBT Trump said these things about our war dead.
And so you now support gun control, higher taxes, a green new deal, Antifa/BLM rioters, and so forth just because of this? I'm guessing you already held these views, and this story about Trump has not changed your political outlook one iota.
Politics_Observer wrote:But you are willfully live in denial of this reality because it suits your narrow selfish interests.
Actually, I don't believe the story, because I typically cast a gimlet eye on anonymous sources, and I think such stories in the lead up to an election is generally to influence a voter about a candidate about some moral failing of the candidate that has little or nothing to do with policy.
Politics_Observer wrote:In many ways, you are very much like Trump himself in that he ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY cares about himself ONLY and NOBODY ELSE.
Uh huh. He doesn't buy things for his wife, or his kids, and so on. He's just a terrible terrible guy. So what do you think about free trade with China? Do you think Trump has a point there, or no?
Politics_Observer wrote:He is THAT BAD, LITERALLY without exaggeration.
I get the sense you believe this with all your heart based on your use of all caps.
Politics_Observer wrote:A lot of people who support Trump are very much like him and fit those extraordinarily selfish character traits.
In other words, we're deplorable...
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