[Tribbles]

Found this interesting link:

http://www.historyguide.org/europe/duce.html

About:

The following selection is an excerpt from an article on Fascism which Mussolini wrote (with the help of Giovanni Gentile) for the Enciclopedia Italiana in 1932. Following this selection I have included two versions of the Fascist Decalogue (1934 and 1938) and brief passage on myth from one of Mussolini's speeches of 1922.

I havnt read it so carefully my self yet (stumbled across it when I searched for "the ten commandments of fascism" that I recently heard about - this is not it though.

Could that text be a good alternative to the fascist international that we worked on at the old "International Fascist Federation" forum? - mostly the predecessor to the one now abandoned, that is:

http://internationalthirdpositionistfederation.s4.bizhat.com/internationalthirdpositionistfederation-ftopic559.html

(That stuff is still a work in progress though)

I think I will post it here, to make sure it survives when that forum crashes again:

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1. Fascism will oppose the doctrines and fallacies of the capitalist and communist regimes, and unmask it to the world for all to see their shallow and destructive ways. Fascism will be on the front line in the struggle against capitalism, communism, and other forms of suppression.

2. Since the forces of communism have actively killed over one hundred million people, while capitalism has killed zero, we will make it our priority, no, our duty to overcome this murderous threat - through violent means if necessary.

3. Capitalism, on the other hand, is purely a political problem that leads to the dissolution of morals, on one hand, and bad policies on the other, and unlike communism the challenge of capitalism can be dealt with through the use of intellect and dialogue.

4. Fascism will work to promote courage, pride, discipline, good values, and mental and physical strength among the people of the state. The struggle against the forces of capitalism and communism is also the struggle against ignorance, against physical and mental decay, and the struggle against poverty.

5. All Fascists will strive to be the best both mentally and physically. A purely fascist military must require that all members be both physically and mentally fit and dedicated fascists.

6. Fascism will instill youth groups to train young fascist citizens to be better than the generation that preceded them. These youth groups will not be compulsory or used as punishment, but they will, however, offer educational and financial benefits to the youth.

7. Fascism will not be a movement of the people, but one for the people. We will work for those who are suppressed and downtrodden by silly ideas such as Jewish conspiracies, racism, and religious policies.

8. Fascism will not bend to the will of the people on any of the above mentioned matters. For we will not fall into the dangerous trap of the individualistic system of democracy. True Fascism governs the people, the people do not govern Fascism.

9. Fascism will keep religion and state separated. The Fascist party will be neutral in religious matters, and we will accept all religions, so long as they do not undermine the state.

10. Fascism will rid of the individualistic system of democracy. Democracy is not, and can never be the fascist way, nor will democracy be in the true interest of the state and its people.

11. Fascism will create labor unions of every profession outside the iron-grip of socialist oppression. These unions will have no other duty than to uphold the workers rights and to guide the economic and social policies of the Fascist party that created them.

12. Fascism will remain loyal to the doctrines of corporatism. Through corporatism the interest of the employees and the employers are fused together with the interest if the environment and the interest of the people as a whole.

13. All interests are also the interest of the states, and these are best pursued through corporatism. The misconception that the interest of the workers and business life always collide is a communist lie and the misconception that these interests do not require regulation is a capitalist lie.

14. All Fascist movements and parties will exert itself to protect the environment and ecosystems of their respective nations, both when they are in opposition and in government. The land and the people are inseparable, the one can not exist without the other.

15. Since the land and the people are inseparable, organs of experts and laymen dedicated to the protection of the environment must be given the same rights within the corporative system as the unions of labour, expert-associations and employees.

16. Fascism will pursue the wholist idea. This means all problems are potential problems of the state. The Fascist state ,under the guidance of its people, under the guidance of corporatism, and under the guidance of the fascist party, seeks to improve all aspects of life for its citizens.

17. Fascism is too flexible to put artificial boundaries to the activity of the state, and it withdraws from an area of conflict if, and only if, things are running smoothly without it.

18. Fascism will create an atmosphere of collectivism and solidarity. In a fascist state none will be too poor, none will be too rich.

19. The Fascist state will make it a priority to ensure all able citizens to have duties and responsibilities on one hand, and rights and social security on the other.

20. Fascism will give universal health care to its citizens. Fascism will strive to keep its citizens as happy and as productive as possible. Seeing as happiness and productivity go hand in hand.

21. Fascism will employ the ways of good government. The way of good government is a complex one, it requires knowledge, experience, and expertise. For this reason the government can not be left in the hands of the masses alone. Especially if those masses are corrupted by the materialist views of communism and capitalism. Fascism will combine the knowledge of the state with the knowledge of the people.

22. Fascism will oppose the destructive forces of cultural diversity. For fascism in itself is a cultural identity of strength and vitality. For that reason we will work to change or abolish the bad habits of the cultures within its nation of influence while at the same time promote the admirable values of those cultures.

23. Fascism will define itself by these guidelines. And with that being said all movements that call themselves fascist must first fit into these parameters.


And finally with these final sentences being dictated these words will unite all true fascists in a world of confusion. We will take our first step in a world full of terrorism, warfare, the “equality” of communism, the “freedom” of democracy, ignorance, despair, and oppression. Although the odds seem stacked against us this is also a world full of opportunity and hope.


Fascism
Forward.

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Its been a long time since I read it now, for all I know - it might be full of crap If so, I am partly responsible, as it is a collective work.

To continue the debate from that old forum, Mussolini once said that "For a fascist, national boarders are holy" - but it kind of collides with the imperial ambitions of his regime though. Imperialism vs coherent nation-state-ism.

Edit:
Oh... The one I copied-pasted was a edited version, where I made some new suggestions. The original-original from the old forum is this one:
http://internationalthirdpositionistfederation.s4.bizhat.com/internationalthirdpositionistfederation-ftopic196.html

As I said, work in progress. Maybe I should cut-past that one too?

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It is said that the age for change is over. It is said that you can only be communist or capitalist; for too long the masses have seen this as truth, but we defy this notion. For too long the rotten forces of communism and capitalism have held a monopoly on the truth, and though oppositions have been tossed aside by these Leviathans, and further opposition seems hopeless, here we are standing in unity with a third way. Our movement goes by the name of Fascism-and this is our manifesto:

1. Fascism will oppose the doctrines and fallacies of the capitalist and communist regimes, and unmask it to the world for all to see their shallow and destructive ways. Fascism will be on the front line in the struggle against capitalism, communism, and other forms of suppression.

2. Since the forces of communism have actively killed over one hundred million people, while capitalism has killed zero, we will make it our priority, no, our duty to overcome this murderous threat, and the only way to overcome a violent movement is through the use of reactionary violence.

3. Capitalism, on the other hand, is purely a political problem that leads to the dissolution of morals, on one hand, and bad policies on the other, and unlike communism the challenge of capitalism can be dealt with through the use of intellect and dialogue.

4. Fascism will work to promote courage, pride, discipline, good values, and mental and physical strength among the people of the state. The struggle against the forces of capitalism and communism is also the struggle against ignorance, against physical and mental decay, and the struggle against poverty.

5. All Fascists will strive to be the best both mentally and physically. A purely fascist military must require that all members be both physically and mentally fit and dedicated fascists.

6. Fascism will instill youth groups to train young fascist citizens to be better than the generation that preceded them. These youth groups will not be compulsory or used as punishment, but they will, however, offer educational and financial benefits to the youth.

7. Fascism will not be a movement of the people, but one for the people. We will work for those who are suppressed and downtrodden by silly ideas such as Jewish conspiracies, racism, and religious policies.


8. Fascism will not bend to the will of the people on any of the above mentioned matters. For we will not fall into the dangerous trap of the individualistic system of democracy. True Fascism governs the people, the people do not govern Fascism.

9. Fascism will keep religion and state separated. The Fascist party will be neutral in religious matters, and we will accept all religions, so long as they do not undermine the state.

10. Fascism will rid of the individualistic system of democracy. Democracy is not, and can never be the fascist way, nor will democracy be in the true interest of the state and its people.

11. Fascism will create labor unions of every profession outside the iron-grip of socialist oppression. These unions will have no other duty than to uphold the workers rights and to guide the economic and social policies of the Fascist party that created them.

12. Fascism will remain loyal to the doctrines of corporatism. Through corporatism the interest of the employees and the employers are fused together with the interest if the environment and the interest of the people as a whole.

13. All interests are also the interest of the states, and these are best pursued through corporatism. The misconception that the interest of the workers and business life always collide is a communist lie and the misconception that these interests do not require regulation is a capitalist lie.

14. Fascism will pursue wholist idea. This means all problems are potential problems of the state. The Fascist state ,under the guidance of its people, under the guidance of corporatism, and under the guidance of the fascist party, seeks to improve all aspects of life for its citizens.

15. Fascism is too flexible to put artificial boundaries to the activity of the state, and it withdraws from an area of conflict if, and only if, things are running smoothly without it.

16. Fascism will create an atmosphere of collectivism and solidarity. In a fascist state none will be too poor, none will be too rich.

17. The Fascist state will make it a priority to ensure all able citizens to have duties and responsibilities on one hand, and rights and social security on the other.

18. Fascism will give universal health care to its citizens. Fascism will strive to keep its citizens as happy and as productive as possible. Seeing as happiness and productivity go hand in hand.

19. Fascism will employ the ways of good government. The way of good government is a complex one, it requires knowledge, experience, and expertise. For this reason the government can not be left in the hands of the masses alone. Especially if those masses are corrupted by the materialist views of communism and capitalism. Fascism will combine the knowledge of the state with the knowledge of the people.

20. Fascism will oppose the destructive forces of cultural diversity. For fascism in itself is a cultural identity of strength and vitality. For that reason we will work to change or abolish the bad habits of the cultures within its nation of influence while at the same time promote the admirable values of those cultures.

21. Fascism will define itself by these guidelines. And with that being said all movements that call themselves fascist must first fit into these parameters.




And finally with these final sentences being dictated these words will unite all true fascists in a world of confusion. We will take our first step in a world full of terrorism, warfare, the “equality” of communism, the “freedom” of democracy, ignorance, despair, and oppression. Although the odds seem stacked against us this is also a world full of opportunity and hope.


Fascism
Forward.

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Just for safe keeping :-)

[starman2003]

1. Fascism will oppose the doctrines and fallacies of the capitalist and communist regimes, and unmask it to the world for all to see their shallow and destructive ways. Fascism will be on the front line in the struggle against capitalism, communism, and other forms of suppression.

What communism? Pretty dated it seems.

2. Since the forces of communism have actively killed over one hundred million people, while capitalism has killed zero, we will make it our priority, no, our duty to overcome this murderous threat - through violent means if necessary.

So fascists never killed anybody themselves? And it's worse than silly to judge a regime on # of people killed.

5. All Fascists will strive to be the best both mentally and physically. A purely fascist military must require that all members be both physically and mentally fit and dedicated fascists.

Orwell once noted the contrast between fascist ideals of physical fitness and the reality of balding paunchy men in e.g. the reichstag.

7. Fascism will not be a movement of the people, but one for the people. We will work for those who are suppressed and downtrodden by silly ideas such as Jewish conspiracies...

Very few if any are "downtrodden" anymore due to talk of "jewish conspiracies." And see Walt and Mearsheimer's book--the power of the pro-Israel bunch is very real. Their enemies, and the country are now downtrodden....

8. Fascism will not bend to the will of the people on any of the above mentioned matters. For we will not fall into the dangerous trap of the individualistic system of democracy. True Fascism governs the people, the people do not govern Fascism.

Hey good but...can't you see that effective domination of the people requires killing some at least? I mean, let's not get sanctimonious.

9. Fascism will keep religion and state separated. The Fascist party will be neutral in religious matters, and we will accept all religions, so long as they do not undermine the state.

A nice propaganda position perhaps but in real life the greatest authoritarian systems wanted nothing to compete with the state for the allegiance or commitment of people.

20. Fascism will give universal health care to its citizens. Fascism will strive to keep its citizens as happy and as productive as possible. Seeing as happiness and productivity go hand in hand.

Not always practical e.g. very elderly and disease-ridden---way too costly.

21. For this reason the government can not be left in the hands of the masses alone.

Duuuuuhhh...

[Tribbles]

Very few if any are "downtrodden" anymore due to talk of "jewish conspiracies." And see Walt and Mearsheimer's book--the power of the pro-Israel bunch is very real. Their enemies, and the country are now downtrodden....

I agree. I guess it was some sort of attempt at rowing away from Hitler, and also be on the same team as the pro-Israel conservatives, or something like that. But point seven needs some sort of change, or maybe it just needs to be removed.

Israel these days? I'm ashamed of having ever been in the conservative camp on that matter.

[Far-Right Sage]

I would point out that there is nothing inherent about Israel for modern Fascists to reject, beyond the political system of parliamentary democracy, which has unfortunately proliferated throughout much of the Western and Westernized world.

What any nationalist, whether they are Fascist or not, should reject, is their nation's servitude to a foreign power to the detriment of themselves, and entrenched organizations which continue to advocate for such a policy (AIPAC).

[starman2003]

I would point out that there is nothing inherent about Israel for modern Fascists to reject, beyond the political system of parliamentary democracy, which has unfortunately proliferated throughout much of the Western and Westernized world.

Certainly Israel shouldn't be rejected just because it's jewish. But besides being democratic itself, Israel has come to symbolizes democracy or anti-fascst values itself. Its revival in the very wake of fascist collapse typified the revival or reaffirmation of traditional junk, which persists with it to this day.

What any nationalist, whether they are Fascist or not, should reject, is their nation's servitude to a foreign power to the detriment of themselves, and entrenched organizations which continue to advocate for such a policy (AIPAC).

Yep, and as I've said before, the association of such a lobby and its policies with traditional values should hasten the fall of the latter, for in addition to the disgrace of servitude to a foreign power, pro-Israel policies are far from being in our best interest.

[Tribbles]

I just came across this stuff, which perhaps can be seen as a continuation of the first attempt at an fascist international in the 1930s:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Social_Movement

I have not looked into it yet, but there is probably stuff here that can be used as inspiration.

Edit: (Next day)

It seems like this thing, failed to resort the question of racism, the same thing that happened to the first attempt:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_European_Order

[starman2003]

Some of the points above remind me of Seth. It's been a while since I heard from him--he resigned from his own AFP some time ago--but he said a number of the same things.

[Tribbles]

Might be, but as far as I can remember - he did not himself participate in the original draft(s) to the manifesto, even though he was registered on the forum.

[starman2003]

Might be, but as far as I can remember - he did not himself participate in the original draft(s) to the manifesto, even though he was registered on the forum.

Some of the things he once said don't appear; still it wouldn't surprise me if a participant borrowed from him. Seth is a fairly old guy. The stuff about communism reflects that, and it reminds me of an old pamplet he put out.

[Tribbles]

Seth trained me in a way, as I was introduced to fascism on the old AFP-forum,where he dominated. He was a bit vague at times, drifting - as one of the forum participants claimed - towards social-liberalism.

Anyway - my main desire for this project, as well as the corporative draft I wanted to make (ending up with the Tech-func thing that I still am wondering about whether or not to put up a site for it) is the desire to end contradictions, and make a platform for doing more and chatting less. For me, anything in the authoritarian center with support for the authoritarian-center in other countries, will do.

[starman2003]

Seth trained me in a way, as I was introduced to fascism on the old AFP-forum,where he dominated. He was a bit vague at times, drifting - as one of the forum participants claimed - towards social-liberalism.

Talk about liberalism, he favored removing US troops from overseas.

the desire to end contradictions,

See above; I pointed out one at least.

[Tribbles]

Talk about liberalism, he favored removing US troops from overseas.

He sure did, and if I remember correctly, he was a fan of Ron Paul, and in fact he started the AFP by sending a letter to the whitehouse, claiming that the party was founded in protest against the war in Iraq. But I got the feeling that the Americans interested in the project often disagreed with him on these matters. The AFP are into Ron Paul now as well, but I don't know if Seth is involved.

http://www.americanfascistmovement.com/news.html

AFM writes:
There is one person the AFM deems the most promising of the potential GOP candidates. That person is Texas congressman Ron Paul.

On another forum, a bunch of guys mocked them and claimed they wanted to legalize marihuana, and were into tea-party stuff. Becoming too liberal, too capitalist. It would be fun if some AFM people wrote on this forum, perhaps he or her could cough up a defense? Or dismiss the rumors?

See above; I pointed out one at least.

I think your criticism against point 2 and point 7 might be valid. Point 2 has been criticized on earlier occasions as well. It is basically an attempt at placing fascism in the political landscape.

A nice propaganda position perhaps but in real life the greatest authoritarian systems wanted nothing to compete with the state for the allegiance or commitment of people.

Is your basic approach, that ideals and ideology is pointless, and that everything is bluff & blah, in combination with brute strength?

If so, good luck with that - but it is a very negative approach to have when debating with people who have ideals & moral standards, and who work systematically towards specific goals.

Usually I just ignore apathetic troll-stuff like that, but I think that from now on, I will actually start to read it, and try to actively find the meaning behind the words. I fear that in doing so, I will loose all hope in modern fascism

(Edited the post once, found out that I had misplaced a junk of text)

[starman2003]

He sure did, and if I remember correctly, he was a fan of Ron Paul, and in fact he started the AFP by sending a letter to the whitehouse, claiming that the party was founded in protest against the war in Iraq.

I think he was aware of what Walt & Mearsheimer wrote about that. One of the few things I liked about Seth was his opposition to zionist power here.

Is your basic approach, that ideals and ideology is pointless, and that everything is bluff & blah, in combination with brute strength?

If so, good luck with that - but it is a very negative approach to have when debating with people who have ideals & moral standards, and who work systematically towards specific goals.

I believe in lofty ideals and goals but ...in real world politics, you gotta be pragmatic to achieve them. As Adolf once said, the theoretician must be wedded to the politician.

[Tribbles]

I think he was aware of what Walt & Mearsheimer wrote about that. One of the few things I liked about Seth was his opposition to zionist power here.

I never quite understood that he had this position. He must have been vague on such matters when writing on the forum. But I found this nice article when I searched "Walt & Mearsheimer":

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mears ... rael-lobby

I probably agree with the whole thing - even though I have just read a little part of it so far.

I believe in lofty ideals and goals but ...in real world politics, you gotta be pragmatic to achieve them. As Adolf once said, the theoretician must be wedded to the politician.

Things can get too detailed and square-minded, or too lofty again. It is one of the things that make politics so difficult.

When I went through a Norwegian newspaper the other day, I found a article written by a Norwegian conservative (I think his name was Skirbekk) and in it, he comes up with a very simple thing that can be used as a conservative manifesto of sorts:

It is the duty of the conservative to conserve:

1. Family and local fellowship
2. Community and workplace
3. Nation and rights of citizenship
4. Civilization & culture
5. Nature.

Just throwing in stuff that can be used for inspiration

[starman2003]

I probably agree with the whole thing - even though I have just read a little part of it so far.

By all means read more. I have only one slight criticism of it--besides it being slightly dated--the authors seem to think the pro-Israel lobby can be changed, whereas opposing it is "not the most promising strategy." Not for now, perhaps, but stick around; I've long predicted the consequences of its screwing up our foreign policy will help trigger a revolution.

a very simple thing that can be used as a conservative manifesto of sorts:

Conservatism never appealed to me. I'm for vast, sweeping change, and am willing to relegate most of the past to the dustbin.

[Tribbles]

Sweeping change towards totalitarian one-man rule with neither conservative nor socialist ideals, a dictatorship that takes the pensions away from senior-citizens? I don't think you will get very far with it

[starman2003]

Sweeping change towards totalitarian one-man rule with neither conservative nor socialist ideals,

In fact I'd combine what I perceive to be the best of both while rejecting the worst. Conservatives, for example, favor a tough law and order approach, and strong military forces, which are fine but they oppose financial aid for gifted but needy students. That's not conducive to meritocracy--a must for a robust, efficient State.

a dictatorship that takes the pensions away from senior-citizens?

Did I say that? I may favor terminating life support for the extremely aged or terminally ill, but that's not quite the same thing.

[Tribbles]

20. Fascism will give universal health care to its citizens. Fascism will strive to keep its citizens as happy and as productive as possible. Seeing as happiness and productivity go hand in hand.

You wrote:

Not always practical e.g. very elderly and disease-ridden---way too costly.

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In my place, there has been a discussion about what we call "active death help" which is illegal for the time being. If legalized, the bloke who wants to die will send in an application to his doctor, who is sent to a committee of doctors, who say yes or no. If everything is as hopeless as the bloke who wants to kill himself claim it is, then he may receive "active death help".

There are some very good pro-arguments, and the arguments against it is that whoever decide might get to liberal with the "yes" giving pretty much everyone that feels moody the right tools for a quick and easy suicide. (A lot of suicidal folks fucks up their suicide-plans, creating nasty side-effects that worsen their situation, so that is a pro-argument as well)

But "Active death help" has to be voluntarily, off course. Even the most pathetic sicko should - in my opinion - have the right to stay alive if he wants to.

If we look at it historically, organized and non-voluntarily killings of disabled people and permanent sickoes is a nazi-thing, is it not? Did the Caudillo or Il Duce ever start such projects? Not that I am aware of.

fine but they oppose financial aid for gifted but needy students. That's not conducive to meritocracy--a must for a robust, efficient State.

What the socialists wants - at least at my place - is cheap study-loans and free universities for all. What it creates is a intellectualized society, and the quality of that mass-intellectualism, can and should be questioned. So it seems we agree on this point.

[starman2003]

But "Active death help" has to be voluntarily, off course. Even the most pathetic sicko should - in my opinion - have the right to stay alive if he wants to.

The State should have the right to make decisions based on the best interests of society. It's not a good idea to allow a costly good-for nothing to live, soaking up resources which could be put to much better use.

If we look at it historically, organized and non-voluntarily killings of disabled people and permanent sickoes is a nazi-thing, is it not? Did the Caudillo or Il Duce ever start such projects? Not that I am aware of.

Maybe they didn't have to, if life expectancy was much shorter then anyway.

What the socialists wants - at least at my place - is cheap study-loans and free universities for all. What it creates is a intellectualized society, and the quality of that mass-intellectualism, can and should be questioned. So it seems we agree on this point.

I don't think free education through university level should be for all, just those innately qualified--maybe 20% or so. The rest should just be taught to follow orders--and how to carry them out e.g. perform well at tasks or trades.

[Tribbles]

Maybe they didn't have to, if life expectancy was much shorter then anyway.

But as I have understood it, there was also due to the influence of the catholic church. Mussolini was curious about eugenics, but the pope didn't like it.