kurt wrote:We were discussing your claim that I "distort your words." I demonstrated this to be false, so you decided that since I demonstrated your claim to be false: you were then bored with discussing it anymore.
You then followed with what's called a Red Herring and want to bring up the purges, which have absolutely no relevance to what we're discussing.
kurt, I am just gonna go downstairs and paint a wall and then sit there and watch it dry for entertainment. It's more interesting than this.
kurt wrote:This is getting pathetic. You have no argument here. It's literally just based on an assumption and absolutely no backing.
If you can't point to a single "lie" that the PSL promotes, stop slandering the organization with that claim, it's very dishonest of you.
Actually I was surprised that the stuff in their 'what we stand for' was ok, the bit I read.
However it leapt right over the political counter-revolution and omission is a lie.
kurt wrote:So you, as a Marxist, are going to claim that an NGO that goes around the world measuring "Human Rights" has no political leanings? This is a very liberal conception of what they do.
It's sad that this even has to be discussed.
It is independent, except for a bit of funding from the Dutch govt. It also gets some money from the Sandler family who also donate to Earth Justice, Oceana and stuff. HRW is an important organisation that does a lot of good work tacking human rights issues around the world. HRW exposes abuse of human rights in all countries
Lets look at some other human rights organisations
How about this list
AFGHANISTAN PSEUDO DEMOCRACYC
ALBANIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
ALGERIA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
ANDORRA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
ANGOLA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
ARGENTINA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
ARMENIA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
AUSTRALIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
AUSTRIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
AZERBAIJAN PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
BAHAMAS ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
BAHRAIN PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
BANGLADESH PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
BARBADOS ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
BELARUS PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
BELGIUM ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
BELIZE ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
BENIN ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
BHUTAN PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
BOLIVIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
BOSNIA AND HERZEGOV. PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
BOTSWANA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
BRAZIL ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
BRUNEI DICTATORSHIP
BULGARIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
BURKINA FASO PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
BURUNDI PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
CAMBODIA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
CAMEROON PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
CANADA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
CAPE VERDE ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
CENTRAL AFRICAN REP. PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
CHAD PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
CHILE ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
CHINA DICTATORSHIP
COLOMBIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
COMOROS PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
CONGO BRAZZAVILLE PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
CONGO KINSHASA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
COSTA RICA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
COTE D'IVOIRE PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
CROATIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
CUBA DICTATORSHIP
CYPRUS ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
CZECH REPUBLIC ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
DENMARK ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
DJIBOUTI PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
DOMINICA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
ECUADOR ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
EGYPT DICTATORSHIP
EL SALVADOR ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
EQUATORIAL GUINEA DICTATORSHIP
ERITREA DICTATORSHIP
ESTONIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
ETHIOPIA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
FIJI DICTATORSHIP
FINLAND ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
FRANCE ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
GABON PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
GAMBIA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
GEORGIA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
GERMANY ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
GHANA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
GREECE ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
GRENADA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
GUATEMALA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
GUINEA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
GUINEA BISSAU PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
GUYANA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
HAITI PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
HONDURAS PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
HUNGARY ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
ICELAND ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
INDIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
INDONESIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
IRAN PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
IRAQ PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
IRELAND ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
ISRAEL ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
ITALY ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
JAMAICA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
JAPAN ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
JORDAN PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
KAZAKHSTAN PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
KENYA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
KIRIBATI ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
KUWAIT PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
KYRGYZSTAN PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
LAOS DICTATORSHIP
LATVIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
LEBANON PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
LESOTHO PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
LIBERIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
LIBYA DICTATORSHIP
LIECHTENSTEIN ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
LITHUANIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
LUXEMBOURG ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
MACEDONIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
MADAGASCAR DICTATORSHIP
MALAWI PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
MALAYSIA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
MALDIVES ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
MALI ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
MALTA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
MARSHALL ISLANDS ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
MAURITANIA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
MAURITIUS ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
MEXICO ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
MICRONESIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
MOLDOVA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
MONACO ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
MONGOLIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
MONTENEGRO ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
MOROCCO PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
MOZAMBIQUE PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
MYANMAR PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
NAMIBIA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
NAURU ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
NEPAL PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
NETHERLANDS ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
NEW ZEALAND ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
NICARAGUA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
NIGER ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
NIGERIA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
NORTH KOREA DICTATORSHIP
NORWAY ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
OMAN DICTATORSHIP
PAKISTAN PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
PALAU ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
PANAMA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
PAPUA NEW GUINEA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
PARAGUAY ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
PERU ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
PHILIPPINES ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
POLAND ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
PORTUGAL ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
QATAR DICTATORSHIP
ROMANIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
RUSSIA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
RWANDA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
SAINT KITTS AND NEVIS ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
SAINT LUCIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
SAINT VINCENT/GRENAD. ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
SAMOA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
SAN MARINO ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
SAO TOME AND PRINCIPE ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
SAUDI ARABIA DICTATORSHIP
SENEGAL PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
SERBIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
SEYCHELLES PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
SIERRA LEONE ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
SINGAPORE PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
SLOVAKIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
SLOVENIA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
SOLOMON ISLANDS ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
SOMALIA DICTATORSHIP-ANARCHY
SOUTH AFRICA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
SOUTH KOREA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
SOUTH SUDAN PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
SPAIN ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
SRI LANKA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
SUDAN PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
SURINAME ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
SWAZILAND DICTATORSHIP
SWEDEN ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
SWITZERLAND ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
SYRIA DICTATORSHIP
TAIWAN ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
TAJIKISTAN PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
TANZANIA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
THAILAND PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
TIMOR LESTE ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
TOGO PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
TONGA ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
TUNISIA DICTATORSHIP
TURKEY ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
TURKMENISTAN DICTATORSHIP
TUVALU ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
UGANDA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
UKRAINE PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
UNITED ARAB EMIRATES DICTATORSHIP
UNITED KINGDOM ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
UNITED STATES ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
URUGUAY ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
UZBEKISTAN DICTATORSHIP
VANUATU ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY
VATICAN CITY NA
VENEZUELA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
VIETNAM DICTATORSHIP
YEMEN PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
ZAMBIA PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
ZIMBABWE PSEUDO DEMOCRACY
http://www.mherrera.org/world.htmYou might be interested to know that the Guardian ranks Cuba 35th worst country , only just worse than the USA
The top 100 offenders
This table ranks human rights abusers in descending order; the figures in the right-hand column are obtained by multipying a weighted score of abuses by the Human Development Index.
(For the second half of the table follow the link at the bottom of the screen)
COUNTRY POP HDI GDP TOTAL x HDI
Yugoslavia (Federal Republic) 10.4 0.86 24.94
North Korea 23.2 0.765 20.66
Indonesia 206.5 0.681 214,995 20.09
Algeria 30.2 0.665 47,072 19.95
Libya 6.0 0.756 18.14
Colombia 37.7 0.768 95,745 16.90
Egypt 65.7 0.616 75,605 15.40
Israel 5.9 0.883 98,081 15.01
China 1255.1 0.701 901,981 14.72
Iran 73.1 0.715 89,979 14.66
Congo (Democratic Republic) 49.2 0.479 6,101 14.37
Sudan 28.5 0.475 10,224 14.25
Iraq 21.8 0.586 14.06
Burma 47.6 0.58 13.92
Turkey 63.8 0.728 189,878 13.47
Mexico 95.8 0.786 402,963 13.36
Congo (Republic) 2.8 0.533 2,298 12.79
Venezuela 23.2 0.792 87,480 12.67
Syria 15.3 0.663 17,899 12.60
Saudi Arabia 20.2 0.74 140,374 12.58
Rwanda 6.5 0.379 1,863 12.51
Pakistan 147.8 0.508 61,667 12.45
Bahrain 0.832 11.65
Sri Lanka 18.5 0.721 15,093 11.54
Philippines 72.2 0.74 82,157 11.10
Peru 24.8 0.739 63,849 11.09
South Korea 46.1 0.852 442,543 11.08
India 975.8 0.545 381,566 10.90
Cambodia 10.8 0.514 3,044 10.79
Cameroon 14.3 0.536 9,115 10.72
Nepal 23.2 0.463 4,929 10.65
Yemen 16.9 0.449 5,656 10.55
Brazil 165.2 0.739 820,381 10.35
Burundi 6.6 0.324 957 10.04
Cuba 11.1 0.765 9.95
Morocco 28.0 0.582 33,514 9.31
United States Of America 273.8 0.927 7,834,036 9.27
Uganda 21.3 0.404 6,582 8.89
Angola 12.0 0.398 7,662 8.76
Uzbekistan 24.1 0.72 25,047 8.64
Russian Republic 147.2 0.747 446,982 8.59
Croatia 4.5 0.773 19,081 8.50
Togo 4.4 0.469 1,475 8.44
Tunisia 9.5 0.695 18,937 8.34
Chad 6.9 0.393 1,603 8.25
Lebanon 3.2 0.749 14,962 8.24
Lesotho 2.2 0.582 950 8.15
Senegal 9.0 0.426 4,542 8.09
Nicaragua 4.5 0.616 1,971 8.01
Jordan 6.0 0.715 7,015 7.87
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Tables/4_col_ ... 30,00.htmlkurt wrote:I believe I've mentioned this. The requirement is that a minimum of 2 candidates, and a maximum of 8 I believe.
So how come I just posted election results for Cuba and each district had one candidate?
Why did you ignore that?
godstud wrote:BORING!!!
Stop the pissing match and get back on topic.
sorry what was the topic?
fraqtive wrote:Yes, can't everybody just get the fuck along? The left is so sectarian that we don't even need enemies. Just look at RevLeft, for example. You can get banned from that site permanently just by being opposed to third trimester abortion. No wonder we can't accomplish anything; we're so freaking fragmented and confused. I mean, DP and ingliz are arguing, with virtually equal positions on the Political Compass. I just don't get it.
I am a Marxist. Ingliz thinks he is a Marxist, but his lot killed my lot in Russia to kill off Marxism.
Look at the dates and reasons of death.
By 1933, the Communist Party had approximately 3.5 million members but as a result of the Great Purge party membership was cut down to 1.9 million by 1939Of the Central Committee of 134 members, 98 were arrested. And then shot. 70% shot. A counter-revolution.
[VP Note: Do not use distracting colors and resize the text needlessly. You've been warned about this before; the next time I will simply delete the post.]