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By Cromwell
#14513148
Conscript wrote:Stuff.


It should be pretty clear that I haven't updated parts of my profile in a while.

Either way, why aren't you discussing this in the thread I linked you to? Where I describe my thoughts and feelings more accurately?

You keep flinging accusation my way and then make up excuses as to why you can't engage me properly.
Last edited by Cromwell on 19 Jan 2015 19:19, edited 1 time in total.
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By Cromwell
#14513154
The Immortal Goon wrote:SN-RF is run by its members, not by a specific ideology.

The application process is the same for everyone.


I appreciate that but I haven't made an application. I was brought in to this thread because my name was mentioned, specficially.
By Conscript
#14513166
I didn't bring you up to debate your views, I named you and a few others to demonstrate a trend among pofo's lefties, at least among the newer ones.

What confuses me is you don't even seem to dispute that, that you can be lumped in it with them (other than not applying to this group). Are you now?

Also I don't debate you because it's far more apt for you to justify your credentials and try to reconcile your left-nationalist views with Marxist communism. Hell, that's what they're usually doing. But I categorically refuse to waste my time proving to a 'Marxist' who makes a thread called 'national communism' why he actually isn't such.
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ComradeTim wrote:Who died and made you group leader?


So much for not being confrontational Tim. It's like you're 15 years old and don't understand that private groups make their own rules all the time, as the userbase of said group see fit.

The answer is "no", and I'm comfortable saying so because you were just voted out several weeks ago. You don't belong, and there is no apology due to you or forthcoming because as a private group we can decide anything we like about any member (myself included) and remove them if we choose.

I think you just want to belong to a group or something and don't really care what it is or what it does, as you seem to cursorily apply your rather temperamental ideological stances, to any group that for whatever reason you want to join.

At this point, it really doesn't matter what your ideology is, you don't fit. Now go away and stop bothering everyone all the time.
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By Cromwell
#14513182
Conscript wrote:I didn't bring you up to debate your views, I named you and a few others to demonstrate a trend among pofo's lefties, at least among the newer ones.


This is a discussion forum. Did you expect me not rise to the bait?

What confuses me is you don't even seem to dispute that, that you can be lumped in it with them (other than not applying to this group). Are you now?


I dispute your assertion that I'm not a communist.

Also I don't debate you because it's far more apt for you to justify your credentials and try to reconcile your left-nationalist views with Marxist communism. Hell, that's what they're usually doing. But I categorically refuse to waste my time proving to a 'Marxist' who makes a thread called 'national communism' why he actually isn't such.


I'd respect that if it was accurate, but it isn't. You do try to debate me, you just do it sloppily and then back out. What else was your childish copy-and-pasting of my profile into the thread? What is your bringing up a thread which, actually, demonstrates the clearest point (in later posts) at which I began to take on my new trajectory?

Your absurd conjecture that I'm, somehow, not a communist, seems to be based on the fact I used not to be. Is fascism indelible, in your mind?
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By ComradeTim
#14513184
yeah, it wan't your opinion I was looking for.Your royal attitude was just too big a balloon to not prick.
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ComradeTim wrote:yeah, it wan't your opinion I was looking for.Your royal attitude was just too big a balloon to not prick.


Right because, using one fucking word is some big connotation of attitude.

Do yourself a royal favor and just slot off, Tim.
By mikema63
#14513200
You are tedious. Apply as often as you wish, expect the likelihood of actually getting in to decrease as you do so.
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By ComradeTim
#14513204
Hmmm, it seems tempers have not cooled sufficiently. My application is not rescinded but I'll make another formal try in a few months. Cheerio!
By Conscript
#14513208
I've never debated you, I only told you that you wouldn't likely be accepted in communist circles because you are still nationalist. You tried to counter with some point about Lenin being the same and never abolishing borders, but that was the extent of our 'debate'.

I don't think you are forever a fascist and can't evolve. I'm just telling you that you haven't so much evolved out of it but combined it with socialism, because you likely see it too as being illiberal and not vapidly postmodern (thus your self-described start as an 'illiberal communist'). Then from there perhaps you come up with such euro centric 'communist' positions like immigration being a 'weapon' of capitalists, globalization/neo-liberalism as the death of nations and socialism is their salvation, and (if you are like others) Muslims are inherently more reactionary and therefore a cultural obstacle to socialism. Do I have that right?
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By Cromwell
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Conscript wrote:I've never debated you, I only told you that you wouldn't likely be accepted in communist circles because you are still nationalist. You tried to counter with some point about Lenin being the same and never abolishing borders, but that was the extent of our 'debate'.


This is a gross over-simplification of the point I was making (which, apparently, went right over your head).

I don't think you are forever a fascist and can't evolve. I'm just telling you that you haven't so much evolved out of it but combined it with socialism, because you likely see it too as being illiberal and not vapidly postmodern (thus your self-described start as an 'illiberal communist'). Then from there perhaps you come up with such euro centric 'communist' positions like immigration being a 'weapon' of capitalists, globalization/neo-liberalism as the death of nations and socialism is their salvation, and (if you are like others) Muslims are inherently more reactionary and therefore a cultural obstacle to socialism. Do I have that right?


No, you don't have it right.
By Conscript
#14513252
Cromwell wrote:No, you don't have it right.



Multiculturalism can never be considered the problem, in and of itself.

It is a response to a specific problem.

Assimilation used to be the norm. The trouble is three-fold now, however. Immigration into Britain is the result of economic interest (that's the first issue), it's on a very large scale (that's the second issue) and immigrant-descended population groups tend to cluster together and ghettoise (that's the third issue).

Most immigrants and their descendants don't want to assimilate, because they came to Britain for economic reasons. There's a common theme in right-wing rhetoric that goes something like this: (directed at the immigrant) "if you don't like English culture then why did you come here?!"

The answer is simple, but these same voices are unwilling to hear it because it is the direct result of capitalism (which they defend, vociferously) and uneven global development (which they don't give a toss about).

These immigrant populations used to be assimilated anyway but they now arrive in such high numbers and live so clustered together that assimilation is virtually impossible.

State-mandated multiculturalism did not create this situation, it simply exists to affirm and justify the situation.

Ethnic conflict is the inevitable result of this situation. The solutions are simple; reorient the economy away from a globalist free-market system, disperse the ghettoised population (on an incentive-based voluntary basis, of course) and establish a programme for integration (define common values, make concessions and offer distinct identities some room to breathe but delete the multicultural framework).


Then why do you support the rights of the gypsies to be homophobes and thugs but not prosecuted as such?

[...]

I said that these were accepted practices. The gypsy culture, as noted in the report, is not a healthy atmosphere for victims of domestic abuse and, definitely, not for gay teenagers.

As for general thuggery, again, it's an accepted practice. I could link to a gypsy fighting tournament organised on social media if you'd like or you could go through the video footage and commentary I previously linked you to.


You hit the nail on the head. It is an excuse.

At every turn, there are voices on the left who say that we should do nothing productive, ourselves, other than to defend the system from the fascist bogeyman.

[...]

You're not asking for a critique of liberalism, multiculturalism or globalisation. You're, instead, asking for the left to serve as an attack dog of the prevailing, liberal, order against fascist bogeymen.

[...]

Because it's only being anti-fascist [and therefore enforcing neoliberal rule].




And, apparently, this is what you left. Could have fooled me.

I am against the present arrangement only because the English people were not consulted on the cultural future of their country, it was decided for them (by the international ruling class) that Britain would become a multiracial and multicultural society.


Reading through your post history only vindicates what I've said. You have quite the history of issues with left liberals like PoD and communists like Kurt and Goldberk, often arguing alongside far-right users (and people like Tim), on common themes such as multiculturalism, immigration, minorities, and 'misguided' anti-fascism. Oh, and the issue of self-described communists joining a user group led by a nazi, which is apparently 'whiny' to you.

You apparently have some socially progressive views but this is pretty mitigated by the fact you use it to contain chauvinism against conservative cultures such as Roma. No doubt you also think the left and the liberals are 'too focused' on Europe and not the 'reactionary cultures'.

Oh look, you do.

we must acknowledge that the immigrant-descended population, especially in Britain, has the propensity for reactionary ideology.


Again, you have combined your English nationalism and national aspirations for Britain to world socialism if only because it brings the world up to equal development and there insofar eliminates mass immigration. Also because capitalism is 'internationalist'.

Cool, that's really common and there's a lot of people like you, but it's not Marxist in the slightest. You seem to have a clue on this:

If I were to categorise myself it would be as a Guild Socialist.


Mind you, guild socialism isn't Marxist in the slightest, and neither is anything Sorelian or syndicalist. You seem to be ignorant of this fact, since you simultaneously claim to be a Sorelian Marxist.

You are pretty indistinguishable from your run-of-the-mill left nationalist, but nothing like your average (Western) Marxist, from Marxist-Leninists to left communists.
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By Varax
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ComradeTim, SN-RF is clearly not going to accept you back any time soon. As for your recent postings it’s clear your anti-Marxism and willingness to side with fascists puts you at odds with this group aside from the personal grudges. You should embrace it already and go the Third Position route instead. Similar for you annatar, they aren’t going to accept a National Bolshevik which SN-RF considers to be fascist. You and Cromwell are clearly better suited to Third Position groups as well which includes left-nationalists.

ComradeTim wrote:It has been brought to my attention that the user Varax, has had fascist as her ideology this whole time but has still been allowed entrance and succor in the far leftist group.

Oh? Is that what you think has happened? Clearly you don’t know the full story and what any of this is about and as such you would be better off not using me as some kind of example or shield to get back in.

Conscript wrote:Varax never really posted about socialism in the 5 years I've been here.

So the historical revisionism begins. I’ve made plenty of posts on socialism, not just here but on S-E years ago (and ‘other’ forums I can’t mention) under a different username. Many of my posts here about socialism weren't in the socialism/communism subforums per se (though there were some that were) but they are there. Just because you haven't bothered reading them doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Varax wrote: Similar for you annatar, they aren’t going to accept a National Bolshevik which SN-RF considers to be fascist. You and Cromwell are clearly better suited to Third Position groups as well which includes left-nationalists.


You may have a point all things considered, as my Leftism isn't exactly doctrinaire Marxist-Leninism as far as Atheism and Nationalism goes. But i'd rather hear it if possible from the group i'm trying to join. After all, I can still discuss issues with them that I happen to agree with them, and also debate as before. Primarily I'm trying to hash out my concrete politics from my metaphysical postulates.
#14513345
All of this is making me think that I should stop sulking about the Russians, and actually re-open the Third Position group for members with a new roster. I don't know who would join, but clearly there is a large gap open after all.

I feel like even if Ho Chi Minh showed up to join SN-RF, he'd be shown the door for 'being too interested in attaining Annamese tribal hegemony', or something.
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Rei Murasame wrote:All of this is making me think that I should stop sulking about the Russians, and actually re-open the Third Position group for members with a new roster. I don't know who would join, but clearly there is a large gap open after all.

I feel like even if Ho Chi Minh showed up to join SN-RF, he'd be shown the door for 'being too interested in attaining Annamese tribal hegemony', or something.


Hmm.... You may have something there.
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By Varax
#14513354
conscript wrote:I think I do maybe remember you...are you like a technocrat, or something? And had another signature? I apologize, regardless. I just lurk on and off.

Technocrat "or something" covers it I suppose...

And I do like to change up my sig quite a bit so I understand why that could be confusing to a lurker.

annatar1914 wrote:You may have a point all things considered, as my Leftism isn't exactly doctrinaire Marxist-Leninism as far as Atheism and Nationalism goes. But i'd rather hear it if possible from the group i'm trying to join. After all, I can still discuss issues with them that I happen to agree with them, and also debate as before. Primarily I'm trying to hash out my concrete politics from my metaphysical postulates.

I understand that, but if you want an answer "from the group" that is what I was trying do for you by giving you a bit of a heads up. Since I'm a member I know the group attitude on these things and to the extent its been discussed you have the group leader TIG for instance saying "a Nazbol is not coming in" and most of the group going along with that calling National Bolsheviks 'fascists in red clothing' or something to that extent. Barring significant internal changes that stance isn't going to change and to the extent any change is coming it's more of "how can we keep right-wingers out better" kind of deal.

Hence my 'suggestion' that the Third Position is a better fit for you.

Rei Murasame wrote:All of this is making me think that I should stop sulking about the Russians, and actually re-open the Third Position group for members with a new roster. I don't know who would join, but clearly there is a large gap open after all.

Well you already know my stance on that. But yes, that is exactly what should happen and this is an opportune moment as any with the possibility for groups being created opening up again and the perspective membership is lining up there.

I feel like even if Ho Chi Minh showed up to join SN-RF, he'd be shown the door for 'being too interested in attaining Annamese tribal hegemony', or something.

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