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By Siberian Fox
#870
but for example FOXISM (new meaning - following his theory) would be terrible revisionism
(is it supposed to be Socialist or what?)


It's not "Foxist"
It's not "Marxist"
It's not "Socialist"
It's not anythingist

It was just an interesting idea on how to restore the link between ownership and labour in the economy without turning it into a command economy - in fact (IMHO) I think it does so better than a command economy would since capital is directly in the workers hands rather than by proxy (the state).
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By redstar2000
#873
Actually, the "revisionists" were proceeding "in the spirit of Marx" even while repudiating him.

During the period 1890-1914, the evidence seemed to indicate that Marx was "wrong" in crucial ways...the working class parties were acquiring more influence in bourgeois parliaments; the standard-of-living of the working class was rising, not falling; prior to World War I, capitalism appeared to go from triumph to triumph; etc.

Because Marx and Engels took a scientific approach to the study of history, politics, economics, etc., the emphasis on evidence is quite strong in their work...and the work of those who've followed their paradigm.

Sometimes, evidence...especially gathered over a relatively short period of time, can be misleading, incomplete, or mis-interpreted. This happens in all sciences, all the time. It happened to the "revisionists".

After World War I, different considerations apply. There can be no acceptable excuse, in my view, for any pro-capitalist apologetics after that massive bloodbath and the colonial arrangements that followed. Any "revised version" of "Marxism" that reduces or eliminates its revolutionary content is beneath contempt.

But credit should be given where credit is due. I was not aware that the pre-World War I revisionists considered "dialectics" to be "hocus-pocus". But if so, they were right. "Dialectics" is such a flabby and amorphous set of "axioms" that you can "use" it to "prove" anything. It's regrettable that Marx was a college student at a time when that fraudulent windbag Hegel was at the peak of his influence.

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